Playing 1/3 in new local "Social Club" in HTX. 10 handed.

Villian - Played with for a few hours. Tricky LAG, middle aged white guy that has been stacked a few times or got himself stacked with his raise/reraise style. Lots of raising pre, c-bets and raising ppl off hands. Won a few recent hands to built his stack back to $1500. Seemed to be getting paid off due to image/aggressive play.

Hero - Middle aged Asian, self employed guy that looks 30 (some stereo types are true), wearing a hoodie, company baseball cap and sipping on whiskey. Super card dead and probably seen as TAP this session but typically more TAG. $850 stack.

OTTH:

H is BB with 6d4d. V is in MP and raises over two limpers to $15. CO, BTN, SB, BB and limpers all call. 7 ways to the flop.

Flop 7c6x4x ($105)

SB checks, H leads for $55, fold, fold, V calls, BTN calls and SB folds. 3 ways to the turn

Turn Jc ($270)

H bets $200. V thinks for a bit and jams his stack in. BTN folds. $575 more to call. H?

My general thoughts:

1) I complete in BB with 6d4d that plays well in a multi-way
2) Hand is well disguised to stack a big PP
3) I lead OTF on a semi draw heavy board to protect my hand against obv frontdoor and not so obv backdoor draws and over PP. Maybe could of led a bit bigger due to board texture, position and number of players
4) I lead big OTT to deny equity to SD, turned FD or over PP
5) After V jams turn I start thinking what he could have:
a) I discount sets of 6s or 4s bc I block them (2 combos)
b) Flop set of 7s (3 combos)
c) Turn a set of Js (3 combos). Doesn't seem as likely bc V would raise the flop to thin the field
d) Flop larger 2P (12 combos) or turn some weird 2P (21 combos)
e) Flopped straight with 8,5 which wouldn't be impossible (12 combos bc I think BTN had a 5 and called with an OESD OTF
f) Turned a FD (n/a combos)
g) Over pairs, QQ-AA, and thinks he has the best hand (64 combos) that can still counterfeit me

Seems like a call against this type of player but a hold your breathe type of call. Thoughts?

its a snap. run it twice if you are trying to keep the variance down.

Really looks like V has 89 or T9 or T8. but of course, with the Superlags, they literally could have ATC pre.

really can't give him credit for JJ or 77 as he would have most likely raised the flop. He really could be as weak as A5, but usually even the LAGs don't bomb the pot until they have something with some showdown value since no one fold in Houston.

Where were you at? Freerolls, Prime, Mint, or Lions?

Seems like a relatively easy fold in theory and in practice... this is literally the weakest hand you have here when you donk into lol 7-way flop and continuing donking 3-way ott. Your range here is 85s, 77/66/44/76s/64s, that’s it. 64s is the stone cold worst hand value hand you have here so it’s completely fine to fold from theory POV and MDF. In practice, I also think stacking off bottom two on this board for almost 300 bigs is going to be a losing play overall. If you somehow were ahead and held, you got lucky.

Don’t know why you’re discounting jacks so much. It really doesnt make sense to raise JJ otf 7-way when there are a gazillion straights/two pair/sets out there, and our opponent aint folding so only option for most people is call.

Not sure how you’re getting 64 combos of overpairs...? QQ-AA is 18 and i seriously doubt he’s dumb enough to just jam here at higher than 30-50% frequency 300 bigs deep when flop started 7-way and you’re still donking into him ott, yeah i wouldnt put it past him but it’s most definitely not 64 and definitely not 18 either.

He has a ton more combos that have you beat, super deep. Fold.

Your combos are off too. He should never have 12 85 here. There are 16 combos total of 85 (4 suited 12 offsuit). So you’re saying he raises 85o/85s at 100% frequency and that’s never true

He should really have only 2-4 combos of 85 here (suited variants)

Where were you at? Freerolls, Prime, Mint, or Lions?[/QUOTE] Prime

Sorry don't know how to reply via quote box. So, I'll reply this way until I figure it out:

@PFunkaliscious - At Prime and yes it's def no fold'em hold'em

@Minatorr -

1) Against my donk, I think based on his previous play he would of raised JJ OTF to thin the field with a possible check OTT if he didn't improve and not 77 IP as that's a "made hand"

2) Your range here is 85s, 77/66/44/76s/64s, that’s it.

I can't have 44-JJ here? And yes I would donk a set too, lol

3) Sorry my combos were all off as I posted this so late

4) So you’re saying he raises 85o/85s at 100% frequency and that’s never true.
He should really have only 2-4 combos of 85 here (suited variants)

I agree that most ppl wouldn't have 100% 8,5 but V VPIP was prob close to 75%

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So, I tank call and V asks to deal it twice.

Rivers come 10s and 5c

V says "straight up top". So, I table and say 2P. V turns over 89o and says "straight with the 5 too". V then proceeds to give me a speech how I'm never suppose to call the turn bc his raise looks so strong. I knock the table and say good hand. That's poker

I would actually just fold preflop because I believe at most tables this hand likely has far more RIO than IO, especially OOP.

Bottom two pair on this board a zillion ways simply ain't a hand I'm wanting to go to war with for stacks, so I'm fairly cool with just checking and seeing what happens and kinda passively playing my hand to not blow out worse hands while not building a huge pot against better (of which there are easily lots).

Couple of issues I have with your points:

1) 64dd probably plays a lot worse multiway that you think unless everyone at your table is a moron.

2) We always think our hand is well disguised, but it isn't. If we want to get in huge money most people will just assume we've flopped a set, so it doesn't really matter if we actually flopped a straight or two pair or whatever. Also, if someone is getting in huge stacks eleventeen ways with a lol overpair, again refer to point 1 regarding how many morons you're playing with.

4) It's important to protect our hand. But it's also important to not build too big a pot with a hand that might not be best. Bottom two pair is exactly one pip bigger than AA; are we going nutso with AA here eleventeen ways?

The final decision is a tough one against this guy, but keep in mind he was up against two players when he jammed (the guy behind him can be sitting on a monster too).

ETA: Just read results, so what do I know, way to get in all your money as a decent fave I guess.

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That's infuriating. Props for keeping your cool and letting idiots be idiots. That's +EV and good poker.

I played it like a set!

1) Okay that's probably true at some frequency, but I don't think it's >75%.

2) No....? Why would you have 55/88/99/1010/JJ here when you donk into a 7-way pot, get called in 2 spots, and donk again? You shouldn't even have JJ here since it's a 3b pre. 55 is way too weak 7-way to be bluffing, and 88/99/1010 are closer to x/f's, x/c is closer than donking out in no man's land. I would never lead this flop with 88-1010 when the whole table is in the pot, let alone double barrel.

sucks that you were right this time and got sucked out on twice, but in a vacuum I think stacking off 300 bigs with the nut low is going to cost a lot of money in the long-run. A lot of LAGs will show up with the nuts in big pots and play spewy in small pots and get paid off huge in big ones bc of their image, the fact that he just shoveled in almost $1k with 9 high is beyond lol and shows that he has no care for money.

yeah 10 handed is fun but you get to ride the variance train

hand seems fine, definitely not bet/folding the turn and checking is out of the question so i guess the hand is darn near playing itself

I appreciate the feedback... I def agree about stacking myself with 300 bb and bottom two, which beats almost nothing. The V can play so spewy which was a large factor in the stack off.

Also, where I grew up, you gotta have tough skin. So, speeches, slow rolls and bad behavior never bother me.... not sure if that's good or bad