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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I'm not sure how this is an out?
This is a LLSNL forum. That's what we're playing here.
So in this particular example (due to the OP's question), we'll make the blinds really small in respect to the stack sizes; in fact let's just make them $0. And there's even a 10% rake up to $8 with a $1 BBJ drop when the pot reaches $20 plus typically a $1 tip.
Dude is sitting with a $200 UTG and limps in for his $0. You've played with him a bunch of times and he seems like a pretty poor player; this isn't too far fetched a read for a LLSNL game, right?
It folds to you on the Button and you look down at T9s. Maybe ATs. Maybe 77. Maybe QQ. Maybe AA.
You're folding cuz there's no money in the pot?
GnotfoldinganyofthesehandsG
Well, we're talking about games that don't exist so I'm not sure how we can speculate about how they would play, but I can tell you exactly how a no blinds game *should* play. Everyone folds every hand, realizes it's stupid and then plays a real game with blinds/antes. Alternatively, fish play hands that aren't the nuts, nits destroy them until they lose all their money or quit, and the nits realize the game is pointless to play against each other and they start a game with antes/blinds.
To answer your last question, if I can limp for free I guess I'll call and hope my opponent puts money in the pot without the nuts?
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Originally Posted by Tanqueray
You're completely missing the point.
If your "theory" is correct, then implied value has no value, because you are only calculating what is in the pot.
And if that's the case, there is going to be very very few scenarios to call any draws.
If you are advocating that poker is all about playing made hands, then you are very wrong, my friend.
Feels like you're not making an effort to understand my posts.
Individual combos can win more than the pot (IO), but complete ranges don't.
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You are:
"A super deep-stack game is nothing like a no-blind game unless people are idiots and choose to pretend the blinds don't exist and raise to ridiculous amounts. In a 1 million BB game the goal is still to win that 1.5BB in the middle.
A 1MBB game probably wouldn't play that much different than a 1000BB game. At some point people just aren't putting more money in without the nuts."
Those two statements are pretty indicative that you think players are only going to play premium hands and only with nuts.
This is exactly why I feel you're not trying to understand my posts. You are misrepresenting my argument (I'm sure unintentionally). I said people aren't putting *more* money without the nuts "at some point."
You are not obligated to put stacks into play whenever you want to play a hand, but if someone voluntarily puts 1000BB in they probably (correctly) only have the nuts in most situations.
I'm tired of this discussion. Probably not going to reply to this derail anymore.