MP(tightfish) raises to 3£, I flat BTN with AJss, no need to 3bet this as my hand flops well, and i dont expect the MP raiser to be very wide, BB decent reg 3bets to 14£, MP flats and i flat.

Flop 956dd

Reg cbets 2/3pot, this reg cbets pretty much 100% of flops, MP folds, i flat as this flop can hit my range well with flopped sets,88,77 flush draws and combo hands like 67s. In hindsight i prefer to raise the flop, rather than get fancy and plan to raise his double barrel turn, or simply bet when he checks.

turn Kc

he bets again 1/2 pot, which id expect him to do with all his value hands TT-AA, AK, and all his bluffs as the king is such a scare card to any pair i hold on the flop. i choose to raise to about 2.5x, thinking i rep such strength, and am confident he will fold TT-QQ, and he can only continue with AA,KK,AK and maybe 999 which are in his 3betting range.

He then tank jams.

3-betting pre is always a consideration, your reason why not to is

Your line reps a lot of strength, and makes sense for the most part, but doing it with no outs is pretty suicidal at LLSNL.

I would much rather do this with flush draw outs or straight outs, hell even trips outs!

I basically never bluff like this without a lot of reads on V which all point to him laying down hands here - which you also don't have!

About it

Yeah i guess fpsing live 1/2 regfish isnt going to work...
a simple raise fold on the flop, is much better i think

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this. Note that the deeper you are, the more i like the line of trying to steal with overs/air here.

That said, i dont think this is a credible bluff unless you raise the flop. When you flat the flop and raise the turn youve effectively polarized your range.

You either flopped a monster strong enough to check otf and now don't care about the overcard.

Or

You were floating the flop and hoping he would slow down when his cbet failed to win the pot so you could utilize your position. He didn't and now youre plan B'ing it.


If you had (for example) a hand like KJ or KQ and you had decided to float the flop, you are almost never going to raise here -- youll flat and maybe bet the river if checked to (at least that is what I would be assuming in villains shoes)

i guess my problem with your bluff is that it seems like it would be very easy for him to rebluff you here. And with no outs to a strong hand, you cant call that rebluff frequently enough to make it unprofitable for him.

On the other hand, if you raise otf, then bet ott, it is very difficult for him to rebluff.

when villain 3bets even if hes a reg i doubt hes doing it light at 1/2. Villain will have a reasonably strong 3bet range, once the flop comes out if you hit it your normally reraising. flatting makes no sense if you had a pair and a draw. also if you raise flop hes jamming his overpairs most likely.

when you c/r turn, if im villain im putting you on a set i guess. you wouldn't show up with a king very often given his line as it makes no sense. you would raise a draw on the flop if you were going to raise most likely and not raise the turn after hes double barreled.

I get the feeling what your doing here is putting into play what you think a very strong player at a higher buy in might think.

Eg fish double barrels, if dwan double barrels here then dwan might think this. Hence fish thinks this. Remember theres a reason this reg sits at 1/2 live and not 5/10. I think you leveled yourself into bluffing in a spot you should have given him credit for.

Keep in mind, what you think might be a possible reason for them double barreling does not mean that they will do it for the same reasons.

also extremely depth dependant. if this is a very deep game 200bb + then your line won't be as bad. but it really depends on what you think villain is capable of.

If you think hes capable of double barreling on a bluff thinking the turn card is a good barrel card after raising and getting to the flop 3 (or 4 i forget) handed and betting air. also interesting to note that villain 3bets to 14 in a live game where 3bets are normally far bigger as well as open sizes.

Ultimatley you need to just put villain on a skill level before you try this. If this is shallow i don't like the line

200deep, but i should save my fancy plays for high stakes poker lol. No need to do tricky stuff, vs fish regs.

3bor's range is tight here considering how tight the original opener is and the fact that he's OOP. We certainly shouldn't think that it has bluffs in it.

I'm skeptical that he cbets THIS particular flop in this particular spot 100% of the time with air just because lol live reads are based on very small sample sizes and this is likely to be the first time we've been in this big of a pot OTF with villain acting OOP to two villains, one of whom has a strong range and the other of whom has hands that ****ing own this flop on a low/wet board.

Because of this, I at least SLIGHTLY weight his range toward overpairs and NFDs. All of this combined with the fact that we have a TON of hands in our range that can play back here with outs. Save this line for 76s/98s/77/88/JTs (in the suit that gives us a BDFD on the flop). You can also raise the flop with a slew of semis and a lot nut combos.

Not sure why we're trying to find way more combos to play back at this strong range with.