I play with the same regs a lot and I've been thinking about how they should be adjusting their game to exploit me. It's part of examining my game. I have a couple of ways.

1. Limp super premiums pre in late position spots - I love, love, love to put in big raises pre with deep stacks in spots where everyone, or almost everyone, has called a raise or limped in middle or late position and capped their range. I'm sensitive to people limp/reraising from early position, but not late position. If I'm playing someone who is capable of limping/calling AA or KK (or even AK) in this spot, they can absolutely own me, but that hasn't really happened yet.

For instance, I'm in BB with JJ in a 1/2 game with several $500 stacks, including mine. MP fish with $200 raises to $15, and I'm pretty sure I'm ahead of his range but that he may call me with worse. 4 callers before it gets to me, I'm liable to shove a ton here on the theory that I'm ahead of the PFR range, and if anyone had QQ-AA they would have raised already. So, I shove, hoping to get folds and win a quick $75, but happy to get it in with MP for $200 in a flip with dead money or just ahead. I normally wouldn't want to get $500 in pre with JJ, but when everyone caps their range by flatting the PFR I feel good about it.

Spots like this come up once or twice a session for me, and are both +EV in their own right and good for my image. Someone who was capable of calling with AA here would just own me in this spot though, despite the fact that I could get away from my hand if they'd had 3-bet.

2. Fold to my bets in multi-way pots when I'm not the PFR - Basically, if I'm betting in a pot with 4 or more people in it and I am not the PFR, I have 2p+ or a great draw. I've stopped bluffing in these spots without very, very good equity since I found I was always getting called. I've adjusted, and the appropriate counter-adjustment would be to always fold unless nutted.

How should people exploit you?

good thread topic.

buy me drinks. If I get 8 or 9 drinks in me, I get LAGtardy. mostly just trying to push people off of top pair hands with complete air. it still takes courage to call off 200BBs on a T8835 board with T9, but if I drink long enough, and get bored enough, I will make these type of moves that my opponents can call off with a reasonable +ROI.

Of course, a certain percentage of the time I will have it, and it makes my opponents hate life. but that percentage goes down as I have more drinks.

There's a sticking point here from a "multiway game" perspective, that in my opinion shows that the way you play is good. Someone who was calling in this spot with AA would only "own you" if you happened to pick up a hand that you wanted to 3-bet with, which is extremely rare. The rest of the time they pass on a 3-bet with AA, they lose a lot of EV against the other players who are already in the hand when you just fold. So even if a player knows that they can exploit you by sandbagging a big hand, the chances they'll have the opportunity to do so are so small that it's probably not worth making the adjustment. You get to fold when they 3-bet, but they're going to make that money back against the other players.

That means your strategy is good, though! If someone who knows how you play still doesn't have the incentive to adjust to you, that's a good thing.

In fact I think this is a great thread idea and something I often think about in my own game. And one reason is because, if strategically your opponents can't exploit you without creating bigger weaknesses against the rest of the table, you're probably playing well.

If you call a raise, you aren't limping, you are calling behind. There is a massive (if subtle) difference.

And when someone cold 4bets, its ****ing scary (call the initial raiser, 4bet the 3better). I had an old Texas man (like 70+) run my ass over by cold 4betting me 3-4 times in a row at a 2-5 game when I never had the goods (i put down AQ once in there) in a donkey show of a game--dude did it over the course of like 3 hours and they were most the hands I VPIPd in that span. He did it to nobody else, and I never saw him do it again. I will never know if he was just punching the younger guy in the nuts or he had the goods.


But as to your question; hell no I won't tell you hot to exploit me. I play exploitable enough poker as it is

I play as good/bad drunk as I do sober. Most people don't. So drinking is always a plan A!

Exploit me? Completely impossible...

...unless you start folding to my bets.


That would really wreck my whole game

#2 also applies to me, and probably in limped pots too (especially when I'm leading out in EP). You probably couldn't do much wrong just folding most times (including preflop) when I've shown interest in a pot.

Otherwise, I'm guessing the easiest way to exploit me is to play against me in position and attempt to play for biggish stacks (i.e. attempt to get 3+ postflop bets) when I likely only have ~TP.

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value bet more, i make a lot of money by hero calling vs missed draws, also 3bet bluff more pre

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How has nobody pointed out how terrible this is? Of course you're ahead of his range when he opens and you have JJ, you're going to be ahead of everyone's range that is wider than {TT+, AJ+}.

yet what do you get called by that is behind? Probably not many hands... What do you get called by that's ahead? Every ducking hand.

You are never getting a LLSNL fish to fold QQ there. You're gonna be hard pressed to get a fish to call you with AT or 88. So you effectively always get called by better and rarely get called by worse.

You can accomplish the exact same thing by raising to like 100 and not shipping an entire stack in the process

- be deep and raise/barrel where my range is capped. heck it's still good if my range is just a lot of non-nut hands which is going to be super often
- 3b in position my raises from MP, I'm going to hate most of these spots. don't do it against my raises in EP I open much tighter.
- bet river thinly for value, I call too much

Great idea for a thread. It just occurred to me these are leaks I can fix. So I don't mind sharing

Not going to comment in detail, as I know there is at least one player from my pool ITF. I will just say that most LLSNL players don't bluff turns against thinking players often enough.

He probably had it, if it makes you feel better

This is absolutely a form of running bad, too. When a particular player 3- and 4- bets you unusually often in a short period of time and you adjust like a good little Bayesian and then they've got the nuts and you get stacked. And then they don't 3-bet a single time in the next 5 hours. You did what you could with the information you had and it's bad luck that you received bad information.

By the way what you're describing is a back-raise. A "cold" call/bet/raise is one that is made by a player who has not yet acted. As in "they come in from the cold".

I think the point of being a Bayesian is not to adjust on such a small sample, because it could be noise. I could be wrong tough.

That's what I thought too. If your prior is that very few people 3-bet or 4-bet light, then it becomes more likely that V is just on a good run of hands. While it seems unlikely, you're up against a pretty large number of V's every session (say about 20 given table turnover). Over enough sessions people are bound to hit a good run.

If my understanding is correct, that's the opposite of what Bayesian means. Bayesian means that you throw away the prior assumption that he's not 3-betting light because the probability of picking up that many legit 3-betting hands is so low. So you give more weight to the alternate hypothesis that he is 3-betting light, since at a certain number of 3-bets the probability that your population read on the guy is wrong looks like it should drop to lower than the probability that he had it every time.

Wait until we're like 200bb effective, call pre, call flop, raise turn. Rinse repeat.

Re. Bayseian theory and getting 3bet/4bet repeatedly in quick succession. All I know is that online over many many hands I've been wrong to adjust quickly to small samples way way more often than I've been right. Yeah it's unlikely a specific player gets a 3/4bettable hand repeatedly over the next 20 hands but it's not that unusual for one of your 8 opponents to get a run of 3/4bettable hands in quick succession at some point over the next month of play.

So yeah, you can exploit me by very occasionally reraising me a few hands in a row with junk because I've decided to stop making quick adjustments vs otherwise tight players.

I think a good exploit of other thinking regs is to 3bet ther wider opens the first couple of times you get the chance (so with ATC) in the knowledge that they'll mostly fold but be looking to adjust the third time you do it. Then if you're lucky you'll get a premium in that spot while V is still eager to adjust to exploit your "wide 3betting". If I don't get a good hand I just quit 3bet-bluffing till V has concluded I just got lucky twice in quick succession.

Shhhhhhhh!

I actually think this is too dangerous a thread and shoud be locked immediately.

It's one thing having bad players come on here and slowly learn how to play poker from general strategy threads and specific hand histories.

It is completely another to create, in one place, a succinct list of all the strategies that'll undo a 2+2er that a V can employ with ATC and a small amount of judicious "not overdoing it".

Try x/raising me on a T53r flop. I'll fold anything below a set unless the SPR is very low and I can 3bet shove.

If I have an overpair, I might call flop and maybe even turn, but I'll never call 3 barrels without a set.

Everything in this thread seems rather tame so far. I've seen much more important strat being given away in other threads. One spot in particular I do cringe every time I see mentioned...sometimes I wonder if winning players truly understand where their edges come from. But many people have trouble getting past their egos and then again too...I suppose this is a strat forum.

Let's keep it that way.

I hate it when Vs stare aggressively when they're blluffing and needle me about being nitty when I fold to there Vbets. I wish they'd stop!

Can you elaborate on this? Do you think that most winning players are unaware of their own strengths and weaknesses? What would you suggest is the best way to exploit an average 2p2 reg?

Don't elaborate!!!!

Great topic/thread. I get tired of all these HH threads in LLSNL that seem so generic.

For me, I get exploited by large bets(pot size or larger). Either I fold 1 pair hands too often in big pots or a large bet looks fishy and I call (in error).

Also getting 3bet light preflop. It's really so rare in LLSNL that I always give them the benefit of the doubt.