1/2 nl 9-handed

Hero ($200): early 20s TAG, has been at the table for 30 about minutes no big hands, been relatively quiet.

Villain 1 ($130): 40s asian lady, plays very tight. Always complains about folding a hand pre and then hitting the board with the potential nuts. Also every now and then asks dealer to change decks.

Villain 2 ($600): late 20's, winning regular at the game. Has no hand history with hero specifically. TAG image.

Hero UTG +1 has 55 limps
V1 UTG +2 raises to $8
V2 in MP calls
folds around to hero, who calls

3 ways to the flop

FLOP: ($27)

59T

Hero?

Spot to lead out or check raise? I can pretty much narrow V1 range down to AA/KK/QQ.

Good chance it gets checked through so I just pot it. If V has an overpair they are going to raise your donk bet anyway

lead out but don't pot it, that's ridiculous and turns your hand face-up.
Also I highly doubt you can narrow her range to only qq,kk,aa with only she raised your limp to 8 preflop. I mean that's absurd

If potting it is turning your hand face up as a set on this board then you are playing too tight.

No I'm really not, I'm just not betting pot in my hands. Pretell what's your range for limp calling utg, then potting the flop 3handed. It really doesn't matter anyways it's about hero. And hero in this hand
"TAG, has been at the table for 30 about minutes no big hands, been relatively quiet"

with this image now you are going to say limp calling utg, then potting flop into a tight lady doesn't scream of a strong hand? What world are you in?

I've played with v1 several times, I have never seen her raise a hand pre less than JJ. I've seen her limp with 88-TT. Super tight player.

I don't see how we are not checking this, preflop raiser is second to act setting up a perfect squeeze scenario if they C-bet. I'm not worried about giving up a free card because if V1 or V2 has a draw, they're betting it. I like to donk a lot with made hands, but this scenario just sets up to we'll for a check 3x raise.

Why c/r when V will commit themselves by raising the flop donk with an overpair anyway? I know most Vs won't fold an overpair here regardless but I'm not giving them the chance.

lead 15

Sometimes bet sometimes check raise.
Note that villain might be unaware of your image as she is clearly superstitious about the deck and thus a fish. Stacks are small so you will get her in by turn or river without betting or raising more than 2/3 pot.

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I lead $20. Overpairs should raise on this wet board anyway.

Because LLSNL players aren't going to pot, pot, pot. I don't think I've ever seen that line from an older Asian lady. If you want to get stacks in, there's gotta be a raise. We want both stacks, not just hers.

I agree that we should raise. But potting it seems like too much in most games, especially with OPs stated image. I bet $20 here unless I can SEE that the guy on my left is already preloading a cbet.

OP already stated he has her range at QQ+ No way she's not cbetting, or that she's folding. We want V2 to come along as well. 3x her raise gives him a good price if she calls, which is most likely if she has an overpair, to continue with his draws. If they both call jam turn.

Grunch

I lead out here, mostly aiming to stack villain 1 since she is fish in this hand. If she won't fold then it will be easy to get her stack as long as you end up with the best hand.

Anything that is continuing on this board is continuing on anything up to a potsize bet, so why lose value?

If this is really the case, then she will be betting or raising the flop approximately 100% of the time. It makes the hand interesting because V2 is inbetween.

I think I like a c/r better because it brings up a squeeze opportunity on V2.

Donking lets you get away from being set over setted by V2, but why even bother to think about that.

C/R to $75 and get it in, or jam all non club/8QK turns when called.

Bet 35. Call her all in.

pot, pot, pot, is how you crush this game.

And if you get folds, remember this the next time you played JT or 98.

OP sounds like a shark

Continued action:

grunch: c/c

this is based solely on the range you defined. just let her do the betting. but is she really only raising to 8 dollars with those three hands? that's almost unbelievably tight in a live game. she'd only raise about once every 5 hours lol!

however, if we give her a bigger range OR we assume she won't continue betting her her overpair then i think you have to lead. i'd only check-raise if i thought villain wouldn't be able to lay down the hand.

grunch after reading the follow up... shove. i'd say re-raise small if she weren't so shallow.

And now you've given V a chance to get away from their overpair...which is exactly what you want to avoid. Time to shove and hope she calls anyway.

Ewwww.

I mentioned that donking lets you get away from set over set (V2). The % of time that V2 has us set over setted is so minimal so it's not something that we should worry about. Or should we? Him raising V1 on the flop kind of makes me want to puke. If he is indeed a winning regular in the game then he should be well aware of her tendencies, which you mentioned. If he knows she's not opening anything but JJ+ AND he raises her on the flop it's either a flopped set or a combo draw/TP+FD. I guess it could be T9s, but even with that in his range we're not doing that well. Basically a flip I think?

And now I hate our hand. If you shove, she probably stacks off too like a typical fish with JJ+ which will give him odds to draw to his combo or he obviously snaps with 99/TT.

I guess it all depends on your perceived image of V2. Would he do this with anything else?

I just hate shoving here. You're shutting the one hand you have crushed out of the pot (even though she might stack off anyway) and essentially coinflipping 100bbs with a "winning reg".

I think the best line would be to c/c and re-evaluate on further action.