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I'm UTG at a table that's very passive and very loose. I have 8c8s. I'm about $300 deep, average stack is about $200. If I limp I'm probably not getting forced out of the pot pre and if I raise to $15 I'll get at least 3 callers. There is only one action player but unfortunately he's on the button and the only one who might squeeze light.

Main villain in the hand is the action player and is playing super wide. Most of his postflop play has been pretty standard but here is one interesting hand history:

UTG opens to $15,call, villain calls UTG+2 with 48hh a few others call.

Flop:556 one heart.

Pfr continues for $20 into $75 villain calls.
Turn is Qh. Pfr bets $60, villain puts him all in for $150 Guy calls and villain sucks out against AQ.

I mean not the most unreasonable flop float getting that price against what is likely a feeler bet with like AK but he still had a bunch of people behind him. Point is he's willing to gamble.

OTTH:

I decide to limp and we go 5 ways to the flop.

Pot: $13

Flop: 4h6h7d

I bet $10 and the action player clicks it back to $20. Hero? Would your answer be different if we had position on him?

So I think the standard play is to just call here but would you consider a raise for value? He has way more weak draws and 7's than a typical player but we are in a ****ty spot if he reraises us. We will also have to play the whole hand OOP which kinda cuts both ways. If we raise we can take it down and avoid playing against a ton of bad turns and rivers. If we raise and he calls we are now playing a more bloated pot with a bunch of bad turns and rivers.

For what it's worth he seems to be reasonably observant and might have be pegged as a tightish player.

Just calling here. This guy hates to fold, could be wide, and we will hate life on a ton of turns. I'm done OTT unless we catch more equity. Yes, he could have a semi-bluff here, but this is not the hand to bloat a pot with, as he could also have 2p, a set, or even 99 too.

I would raise, you have a lot of good things going for you

But how much value can we really get with a 3b here? Is he bad enough to continue with A7? We limped and led out MW on this flop; our b/3b range has sets out the wazoo. The only value we really get is from draws, and some of them (like heart overs) are roughly flipping with us.

As much as I hate this expression, I'd flat and play poker.

Edit: what's V's stack size? If we're short, I'd start considering a 3b.

Stacks are at about 100 BB's.

Maybe it's more of a semi-bluff than a true value raise since we are happy getting folds as even his semi-bluffs have so much equity against us. If our range does look that strong I almost like the raise more and would use a larger sizing as a bluff.

I think you're right about flop, I definitely think the standard play is to call but wanted to explore a raise. I guess since I'm not sure if I would even want him to call or fold I'm in the part of my range where I shouldn't be raising.

I would bet $50 on flop. 20 into 75? Why? I don't get that.

Think you are mixing up the hands. The $20 into $75 wasn't me and it was a prior hand.

not sure about hand, but would be interesting to know what other ranges you limp from UTG with effective stack close to 70bb? I guess just bottom of opening or even only weak pairs (as I do not see much sens to do it with AA on passive table)? so what is purpose of that? limp-set mining? 70bb is not to shallow..? (maybe not assuming you will have multiway pot..?). is it not better to raise smaller like 3x? then we still have initiative in hand and our range is uncapped?

as played, I am not sure it can be profitable, cause as Garick suggest, you will need give up on T (you choose line lead out flop/call raise - you need give up most of T, you chose line x/c - you need give up most T), except you really want to shove over in order to avoid to put you out from the hand on later streets and cut his equity from random ovairs, gs etc. maybe it can be +ev overall vs his wide range..? but is very high variance line. one very important factor is to know how BTN plays his small pp. I guess is strictly depending of this how he perceive your limping range (if he even perceive it in any particular way?)

pre Im raising to 20, and if button squeezes im shipping for value (assuming he is 200 deep). I really hate limping, but not a bad time to limp, i mightve limped something a bit smaller like 66 maybe even 77.

AP, flop bet more, id make it 25 or so. no reason to worry about pot size ahen its this small. I kinda wanna 3 bet the flop, but the sizing concerns me, I think this is either a 7 and he is just being a dumb fish doing dumb value bets, or its a very strong hand, because I dont think he is doing this with a draw, that wont ever get you a fold.

I think calling is ok only because of sizing tells, if he had bet more, even like 25 or 30 I likey wouldve gone like 90+ and shipped most turn vs what id perceive as very often being a draw. Another option is you could click it back and make it 30 to see what he does, if he 4 bets, id feel pretty certain im beat, and if he calls id feel pretty certain ive got him beat and id be betting into him hard on a blankish turn.

You were right to be concerned by the sizing because he ended up having 67.