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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
i do care. im just not going to play scared MUBSY poker and only raise the nuts. thats bad poker trust me. and TT is a big PP imo. thats why i 3bet it. and lol keep playing weak tight scared poker, thats where the money's at. if UTG+1 range is so strong then just open fold TT for the initial raise. otherwise quit being scared. at least if we 3bet pre we would have avoided this spot altogether.
I can see the rationale for both approaches.
While I do agree that the vast majority of the time a flat call preflop with TT is correct here looking to set mine esp at live micros, I do see the rationale for Rich's argument. While I disagree that aggression is "always" good in these spots, from an information/exploratory perspective a 3-bet by hero can give us valuable information. If villian 4-bet/shoves on us then we can fold knowing it's likely JJ+. Yeah occasionally AK shows up but overall it depends. If they 4-bet we can consider a call looking to mine or fold and be ok with either decision. If they shove we have the info we need and fold pre.
Then we go to the flop, if we simply flat call we don't know where we're at. 99 doesn't show up enough here and I agree it's MUBSY to worry about that type of hand. But if we flat call pre we DO have to worry about JJ+. Sure we can put out an exploratory bet here to see where we're at but I wouldn't get out of line and would absolutely fold to a raise on this flop if we flatted the call pre.
However, if we 3-bet them pre and they flat call we can easily rule out QQ+ in most cases and to worry about JJ too much here is again a bit MUBSY.
So basically there's a ton of info to be gained by 3-betting them pre here, HOWEVER, I do think we could get the same info on the flop if they are first to act and bet or we put out an exploratory bet and they raise us on the flop.
I think it's a wash. 3-bet pre and get the same info we might get on any flop action. Occasionally a 3-bet pre here will get a fold and win us a small pot but overall I think we're getting called/raised here and just wasting chips on a 3-bet here for info we can easily get post flop potentially for free.
Overall it comes down to can we 3-bet pre here and if so why are we doing it? If it's for information it can be helpful but one can argue we can get the info free post flop. If it's to steal the preflop pot and shut down villian we've got to be near certain that works otherwise we're just wasting money preflop. So look at why we're 3-betting or flatting and go from there. Blind aggression IMO is worse than MUBSY.