Thanks for your feedback.

I’m not sure I’m understanding this. I raised to 50 which gave pot odds of 2.5:1 right? Your bet of $60 would give pot odds of 3:1 if my maths is right. So without taking his implied odds into account he’s got low pot odds for set mining with either a 50 or 60 raise preflop. With my full stack in mind if he hits the flop against my premium hand then he could take down my entire stack giving him implied odds of about 11:1. So potentially worth set mining on the implied odds.

What I didn’t understand in your comment is why the $60 bet offers poor set mining odds?

He's talking about implied odds. i.e. how big of a pot can they expect to win when they hit a set vs. what they have to invest immediately to see the flop. You calculate it by estimating what the final profit would be if you called, hit your set, and got all in with the pfr and compare that to the amount you currently have to call.

Usually 15:1 is a good amount for set mining since you're 7.5 to 1 to hit a set but sometimes you lose the pot to a better hand and sometimes your opponent doesn't pay you off enough, so you want some overlay. But at the low end, 10:1 is ok.

The $50 raise would offer the first opponent ($90 + $250) to $30 or 11.3:1 and the second opponent 12.3:1 (or more given the second player in the hand) whereas a $60 raise would offer the first opponent ($100 + $240) to $60 or 8.5:1 and the second 9.5:1.

Good responses by krill and Imallinnow, imo.

Just a couple of other points:

- even 100bbs "deep" in a live game, which can typically features relatively huge preflop raises (ain't no one raising 2.2x the bb here) and multiple callers (I play in games were ~7x raises often see 5way flops, standard amirite?), the game actually plays very short very quickly; you won't have a lot of time to figure out information by getting to the river / etc. because you'll often be facing commitment decisions for your stack on the flop or turn at latest (ex. you can't put in 2/3rd of your stack just to fold); it's really very important to plan your hand preflop, especially with big TP hands
- immediate odds don't matter too much preflop (unless you're all in); NL is an implied odds game, so if you're setting up a spot where you won't be able to fold postflop (i.e. AA in an SPR 2.5 pot, again, you can't possibly put in a huge percentage of your stack just to fold because you'll simply be getting too good of odds to always make an uncomfortable call), then make sure you don't offer too good of IO preflop
- be very careful regarding the idea of playing deep as you really need to know what you're doing; if you're just starting out, you are far better off playing shorterstacked, and playing super tight (nit tight in EP and loosening up a bit in LP and attempting to get in cheap pots); once you gain experience and feel more comfortable with your game then you can think about playing deep and see how it goes, imo

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Thanks, makes sense

You know me too well m8 and I'm still a noob here .
I would raise much larger pre, at least $80 with the caller, and then probably bet small, the popular 1/4-1/3 pot bet. OTT, depending on the card and my read on villains range, I will either check as a trap or just bet ALLIN. Either way regardless of the runout I don't see myself not being ALLIN by the turn or river.

You could also just bet ALLIN on the flop, sometimes people read that as a missed ace-king/queen and snap you off with any pair. I prefer the other line though as it gets some people to spazz with some random stuff that is basically drawing dead...