NLH 2/3 100-500

# Effective stack 400

Hero 6s8s Button

four limpers including hero ; Sb (TAG) bets 20; 2 callers including hero. At this point my image is LAG.

($60) Flop 5s7sKs

SB bets $50. Other villain folds.

Hero?

What blinds level is this? At 1/2 or 1/3, this is a fold to the raise pre, even closing the action, imo, though I can see the temptation.

As posted before, we need to know about your V and your image in oreder to give better advice.

AP, I guess the other limpers folded to the flop c-bet? I'd likely raise, especially if we have an active image and V is smart enough to think about our range and to think we have a lot of semi-bluffs in it. Another spade will likely kill our hand or our action, so I want as much money in as possible now. Still, the bet is nice and big, and if V is likely to make another big bet on a blank turn, we could get a lot of value that way too.

Thanks, I updated the OP.

So are you saying we want V to think we are semi-bluffing if we raise?

Yes. Especially with him being TAG and you having a LAG image. His range has a lot of TPTK and AA/KK in it, and he will likely see your raise as FOS, or at least semi-FOS. He might well jam over our raise. If he has JJ-QQ, you weren't making any more money on this hand anyway.

Do we need to be worried about him having flopped a higher flush or having a flush draw with say the A of spades?

Twice, in this hand history, you've exhibited loose passive behavior.

Yep I know. That’s why I’m lookimg for help.

But in the lead up to this hand I was playing aggressively.

No. If he did, that's just a cooler. We're never getting away after flopping this miracle, and his range is very PP and AK heavy, so few flushes are possible.

This is what I meant by "another spade likely kills our hand or our action." We want to get money in now, as he likely gives us value with a big spade, but if we wait until later we won't get called unless we're beat once another spade hits.

Thanks.

While we’re getting money in now on the flop what sort of bet size should we be making?

I think the less experienced we are the more a fold preflop the first time around is fine. I would mostly overlimp here too, but even I think it's marginal, but mostly I play pretty loose on the Button for a limp if only to remind people at the table I'm still playing. I would fold to the raise; if anyone else is cool with playing for stacks postflop there's just too good a chance our "good" hands won't be best and yet we'll have a hard time getting away in the small SPR pot.

With a much smaller stack this would be an easy shove as we have decent hand equity and some FE with decent dead money in the pot relative to stacks. As stacks get larger, things get a bit more difficult (dead relative money isn't as great, the fact he's betting almost a PSB on this flop into 2 opponents after raising from the blinds this deep is a little concerning, etc.). Still, overall I'd probably lean towards either a big raise (to shove any turn) or just an outright shove now. I don't think calling is horrible.

ETA: Lol, I didn't realize we flopped the flush (thought we flopped an OESFD). Definitely leaning to just doing a normal raise and start building the pot to get in chips ASAP before some action killing cards come. Against some regs with my nitty image I don't mind a flat cuz most will bet all their pairs on the turn large protecting against my flush draw, but it is at a risk of some scare cards.

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Is there a promotion that pays a decent amount for high hand is your hand eligible?

Absent that I think raise to like $125 >> call. Shove non paired non 4th flush turns. If the promotion is significant, like say $1000+ it possibly tilts to a call.

Call.

Call pre is fine, dont like isoing w/ 8 high vs 3 players. If you do it’s ok, you need to choose a very big sizing though.

Flop std call, dont raise