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How often should I be 3betting light and bluffing in live 1/2? How often should I be 3betting light and bluffing in live 1/2?

12-14-2013 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Havax
I keep hearing mixed advice from "never bluff in 1/2...you can't bluff fish" - which I agree with, but I find there are plenty of talented and semi-thinking players at 1/2. Currently I rarely bluff or 3bet bluff preflop. I feel like I may be leaving money on the table.

So, how often should I be doing it? Obviously I know it is situational and read dependent. I know should I shouldn't 3bet bluff super tight players, or do it from early position, but what is your general strategy? I want to be able to mix it up with my TAG image so I can steal more pots. Any advice appreciated.
Grunch...

I think 3-betting and bluffing is a big source of profit, even at $1-$2. For example, when you spot "the live one" who keeps opening pre, pot after pot - that player is a great candidate for us 3-betting he or she light, especially in position. They'll tend to call super light and hope to hit a flop, which we all know - we don't flop well often. So, our 3-bet to isolate "the live one" gets us heads up, and a c-bet will typically win the money.

There are the times where they call hoping to hit the gutterball, and spike, but how often is that? Not often. IMO it's a profitable play.

Bluffing at $1-$2 is similar. It's a very profitable play given board texture, villain's range, and how deep the stacks are. For example - put yourself in the LAG V's spot - he might be laggy, but let's assume he's not a total fish. Just super sticky. He calls your flop bet with middle pair. Turn is a blank, and he calls your turn bet with middle pair. River beats the board (say an A), and you ship for pot or more. V is holding middle pair. How much of a fish would he or she have to be to call? I'd say the callers there are the outliers, and we can mark them for valuetown on subsequent hands when we have a hand.
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12-14-2013 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
It's all about picking your spots.

Player and table dependent.

If a guy is consistently opening to $10 at a $1/$2 game, he's either getting hit with the deck or he's opening wide, right? The latter is more likely, so you can profitably 3-bet him.

If a player has a variety of opening sizes and you can pick up on them, you can pick your spots to 3-bet lighter. For instance, $10, $10, $10, $17, $10, $10, $17. Our opponents will sometimes give away the strength - or weakness - of their hand by their sizing. Some players have a different size for JJ and AK then they do for AA or KK; I love to play against those guys and bluff them off their hands when I get the chance.

As for bluffing, I think the same things apply - pick the spot to bluff based on tendencies you pick up at the table.

I would say don't bluff at $1/$2 or $1/$3 and you can beat both games. But I think you can substantially improve your winrate if you can successfully bluff.

Here's an example: I'm a winner at $1/$2 and $1/$3. I have a friend who is a bigger winner. Crushing the games. Why? Because he is better at bluffing and 3-betting light than I am.







This is it. 3 betting and bluffing can be done quite extensively at 1-2. 3 betting may be cut to zero when the table will never raise unless a big pair, but otherwise it is mandatory for optimal results. You want to win 30/hr at 1-2, you have to become adept at this. (unless you play a group of drunks every day)
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12-14-2013 , 11:36 AM
If you don't have all or most of the white chips or if the dealer isn't constantly asking you to change up your whites, you aren't doing it right

1/2 is the same exact poker as every other buy in. If they are weak/tight, push em around. If they are loose aggressive, dial it back.

I know I'm playing well when I have all the white chips and people start complaining about me raising so much

Last edited by attentionnoone; 12-14-2013 at 11:42 AM.
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12-14-2013 , 04:04 PM
People should ask about semi-bluffs in these topics.

Semi bluff is an underrated play, most level it as either good/bad value betting strategy. But semi bluffs are a great tool IMO.
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12-14-2013 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by attentionnoone
If you don't have all or most of the white chips or if the dealer isn't constantly asking you to change up your whites, you aren't doing it right

1/2 is the same exact poker as every other buy in. If they are weak/tight, push em around. If they are loose aggressive, dial it back.

I know I'm playing well when I have all the white chips and people start complaining about me raising so much
Haha this is cool. Never really thought about that, but it's true. When you're sittin with $30+ in whites, that's about the time the table starts grumblin about your opens. Game on! hahaha
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12-15-2013 , 06:24 AM
More than any other game, players at 1/2 NL hate to fold. They didn't drive to the casino tonight to play tight. They are here to gamble and maybe have a few beers. They view poker as any other form of gambling like blackjack or craps.

This does NOT mean that your should NEVER bluff however. Anytime you say NEVER or always in poker you can be exploitable by any observant decent player - even loosing players can notice obvious tendencies of regulars like never bluffing. Therefore, I think bluffing is necessary to some degree but you have to do it correctly and choose your spots. In general, I like doing it HU and in position. I don't like semi bluffs if I think the villian will call. I have a better chance to get paid off if I just call and hit. I also use bluffing in cbet situations on favorable dry board with hands like AK and AQ on favorable boards or other random hands like others mentioned. Occasionally I make a small bluffy bet on the turn and or river in a limped pot that I think might get called by better just so I can show a bluff too. Somtimes doing this can help loosen up the table the same way straddles can and you will notice others bluffing too. Its almost like its gives others the permission to bluff too. Finally don't tripple barrel. This is totally -EV.. Value bet to death but dont like 3 barrell with air. If they call big bets on the flop and turn they will call the river waaay too many times and you are burning 200bb plus. So be careful with bluffs and pick your spots and players but I can tell you bluffing is an important part of maximizng profit regardless of stakes. Sure sometimes you may never bluff in a session but it should still be part of the toolbox when necessary.
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12-15-2013 , 08:57 AM
IMO, these are the two more important points.

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Originally Posted by jack492505
Its just about identifying spots. I think "don't bluff" is a good general statement for a BEGINNER. This is because we make most of our money at LLSNL by value betting against people that, as a general rule, call too wide. The first thing you need to do to have a good win-rate at LLSNL is learn how to value bet correctly.

This isn't as easy as people make it out to be. There are a lot of threads on here where people quite obviously are missing value and don't even consider value betting. So, it probably makes sensee at first to focus all your energy on ensuring you are learning the most fundamental live poker skill
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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed
Picking up pots that you normally wouldn't have is a great way to stay afloat while waiting for good spots.

Also,

- Play OP
- Do not get into trouble
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