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How to maximize value against a nit? How to maximize value against a nit?

01-01-2020 , 12:53 PM
Not the toughest question of the day. Just good old fashioned “did I max value?”.

1-3 NL

Hero has about 300 in front, SB, somewhat tag image. I think the villain thinks of me as aggressive which will hurt me later...

Villain very Nitty Omc with about 120 in front. Middle position:

OTTH

I pick up 3-3 in the SB. OMC calls. I choose to just complete. BB checks.

$9

Flop comes A-7-3 rainbow. Perfect flop for me but not much money involved.

I check. Villain bets 10. I decide to just call. BB folds.

I don’t raise here. I didn’t bet it out because if he doesn’t have an ace he won’t call. He could put me on an ace as well.

(29).

Turn is a 5. I check. Villain bets out another 10. I call.

($49)

Here’s where I think I screwed up. River is a 7. I’ve got a full house. I bet out 20. Villain says “ oh no you have the 7... you hit a 7 didn’t you ??” And folds.

I’m thinking I should have bet 20 on the turn or check raised the river.

Or did I get the value I was going to from a nit?
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01-01-2020 , 12:59 PM
I much prefer leading the flop for $10, opposed to x'ing. If I x, I'm going to x-r the flop, if not, x-r the turn. I don't expect OMC to bet this river after getting two streets, unless he rivers trips or two pair.
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01-01-2020 , 01:17 PM
Donk the flop. Gotta start building the pot, and if no one has an ace, you're not making any money on this hand most of the time anyway.

AP, bet turn about 2/3 pot. AP again, raise turn. Always raise same-bets OTT. They'll almost always fold, as same-bets are so weak, but this will balance out the times you're bluffing.

AP to river, it doesn't matter. If you check the river, he's almost always checking back.

The biggest mistake here was OTF, though. After c/c there, any aggressive action later likely loses you a nit. This hand should have been a b/b/b line for about pot OTF and 1/2 pot each on turn and river, imo.
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01-01-2020 , 01:24 PM
The title is how to max value v a nit. You must remember a nit is NOT going to pile $ in with out a big hand. They tend to be mubsy and as others have said are highly unlikely to bet a lot rivers w/o the goods. You are oop and you can not rely on him to build a pot for you. Like Garick said b/b/b line will max value - this is especially true when the nit views you as aggro as you indicated in OP
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01-01-2020 , 03:25 PM
How much do I bet on the flop?
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01-01-2020 , 03:48 PM
Just fold pre. The only player who has entered the pot is an OMC with a 40bb stack, who limped rather than raising as he likely would have done with anything that's going to pay off a set if you hit. The way to maximize value against a nit is to treat him as an empty seat at the table and save yourself a hot two dollars.
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01-01-2020 , 04:47 PM
I'd bet the flop small myself, but c/c is fine. I would c/r the turn smallish, although if he had bet big c/c again would be fine.
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01-01-2020 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by thenewoldpro
How much do I bet on the flop?
$10 sounds good. I usually try to stay in the 1/2-3/4 pot range (depending on how wet the board is), but when the pot is tiny like that you can get away with a slight overbet without setting off alarm bells, as it's "only ten dollars." That makes a huge difference in final pot though.

If we go 2/3 pot OTF ($6) and 1/2 pot thereafter, and he calls down, pot goes (ignoring rake, and pretending we can bet exactly half pot when we'd actually have to round up or down) $9 OTF, $21 OTT, $42 OTR, and $84 at showdown.

If we do our little overbet, and then 1/2 pot bets thereafter, it's $9, $29, $58, $116. Sneaking that extra $3 into the pot OTF makes the pot $32 bigger by the end without changing any other betsize ratio. Compounding is awesome.
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01-02-2020 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Donk the flop. Gotta start building the pot, and if no one has an ace, you're not making any money on this hand most of the time anyway.

AP, bet turn about 2/3 pot. AP again, raise turn. Always raise same-bets OTT. They'll almost always fold, as same-bets are so weak, but this will balance out the times you're bluffing.

AP to river, it doesn't matter. If you check the river, he's almost always checking back.

The biggest mistake here was OTF, though. After c/c there, any aggressive action later likely loses you a nit. This hand should have been a b/b/b line for about pot OTF and 1/2 pot each on turn and river, imo.


+1 to all of this. Gotta b/b/b and hope they call you down with their A
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01-02-2020 , 06:13 PM
I'm ok with preflop. Nitty guy is short enough where stacks can still go in with hands like just TP; if nitty guy was a lot deeper we would have to be a lot more wary about setmining OOP. We're probably not missing out on nearly as much as we think we are by folding here though.

I would just donk/donk/donk and hope for the best. We also have an aggro image so that should help. Even with a nitty image (like I have) I think I still lean to donking cuz short nitty OMCs ain't going to do the heavy lifting for us. If BB is an aggrotard worth tarping then more argument for a check/call, imo.

As played, really think we have to start donking the turn against this guy. He checks back too much / ain't barrelling air / can bet a size we don't like, imo. Just PSB and hope that he's got a big limped Ax or two pair.

I was in a similar spot a session or so ago. A short $140 OMC nit overlimps the CO and we go 5way to a 942r flop. I haz a set of 99 in the SB. I just hope for the best and donk the flop, an EP guy calls and the nit calls (ka-ching!). I bet out again on the 5r turn, the EP guy folds and the nit sigh calls. The river is a semi-scary overcard K but by that time the nit considers himself committed (with what he later claims was a limped overpair, so I'm assuming QQ/JJ) and pays me off for stacks. Can't recall the last time something stupid like that happened, especially nit-on-nit violence, but it really is probably just best to donk/donk/donk and hope for the best against these guys before the board starts getting stupider. Leave the tricky check/tarping for aggrotards.

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