Hero in SB with T2o. Table full of mostly recreational players who'll limp with ATM. Everyone limps to Hero, should he complete the SB and see a flop?

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If you have to ask this question then no.

And there's like 20 threads on this already.
I would search for one of them.

And no, don't complete this trash hand.

I'd complete all A2-AJs, 99-, 54s-JTs, 64s-QTs. Maybe a few other hands depending how bad other people are. I play pretty tight from the SB.

Obviously raising all better hands.

Completing some or the better connected and suited hands if it is indeed a family pot. But you need to have discipline and know how to manuever post

I'm a bit different, I guess, but I gotta give this a big fat HELL NO.

This is garbage you shouldn't play IN position.You're oop against the world with a non-connected, non-sooted, crap hand. Lord help you if you flop a pair, that'd probably cost ya. When this does hit (because it's gotta hit hard), it's RIO, you'll have a hard time getting paid. Throw that crap away.

As a rule, you need a good reason to play here (in the SB). Let the fish chime "Pot odds!" and toss another white in.

I'll go nearly any two depending on the table. I try to keep it to 2gappers or suited aces though.

Here's a good thread for reference: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...d-pot-1395374/


For me, I complete with any Ax or Kx suited hand, and high broadway hands such as KJ, KT, etc. I will also complete with suited one and two gappers; but I usually draw the line there.

Never.

You need to flop so ridiculously well to win any significant money here. It's an event that happens so rarely that you'd need to find hero folds on TTx boards when you're dominated to have any chance at making a profit with it. And I don't buy that you can bluff your way to profit post-flop here either... rec players are hard to bluff...

When you're completing in the SB in a family pot, you wanna stick to hands that can make the nuts and make a lot of money when you hit. Any suited ace or even any connected cards work. You can make a lot of money vs. any weaker flush, any weaker straight, even any set when you hit your hand. And when you miss your hand it's easy to get away from.

With a hand like T2o, you're putting yourself in the exact reverse situation. You could easily lose a lot money when you hit a TTx flop or even a 22x flop. In addition, when you do hit the incredibly rare TT2 flop there aren't as many hands that you're going to make a lot of money from.

Yes if you can check/fold TP on flop.

The common mistakes in this situation are, "It is just a $1" and "I can out play the villains." In a family pot, somebody is going to hit a decent hand. You're not bluffing them off it. And it is never just $1. Normally with connector, you're going to hit a draw at best and will have to pay against odds to hit your draw. Fold, and exploit your nit image in position.

Same range as UTG + a bit more because it's cheaper than UTG and we only have to consider 1 more person can raise. So add in [junk] like T7s, K6s, etc....because we're playing a field of weak limpers.

(assuming 1/2 or 1/3) If everyone just limped around the best move is to raise to $30 and scoop up an easy small pot.

Yeah no-one ever limp-calls ludicrous raises with all sorts of trash at 1-2/1-3.

Very table dependent imo.

Unless this is a loose passive convention most of the people will shake their head and internally berate themselves for throwing $3 away when they knew their hand was weak to begin with and a few people will give you the "I know what you're up to look". 98% of the time the above people will fold anyway.

If it was anywhere close to 98% I would think it was a profitable play almost all the time, but I really disagree.

Yeah sure you're VERY unlikely to get limp-3b but very often people will call with all sorts of trash hoping to hit.

I would say that in the past 6 months of 1-2 this play would work close to 50% of the time. Does that mean it's profitable with atc? Don't believe so, not when you do get called and you're OOP with trash.

There generally isn't any need to get clever from the SB like this at a 1-2 or 1-3 table, there are far better spots. I do realize you should look at all +EV spots but I'm not sure that this is +EV often enough to make it worthwhile

this is a fold.

I apologize for not properly explaining myself. This obviously isn't something you do on every rotation, but unless you have a maniac image then this will work almost all of the time (when used rarely). If you raise to like $15-$20 then yes, you will get random trash calls. If you raise to $30 in this situation then you will be good almost all of the time.

it took 10 responses before someone posted this?

this. this. and this.

but folding pre is the best move. If you are going to get any value out of this hand, you needs to flop 2 pair+. Otherwise, fold. enhance your table image. and wait for the right moment to make it 30.

This is always going to draw out the zealots for some reason. In general, your SB completion range should be WAY tighter than it actually is. That goes for me too and I've been consciously recording my SB results for months. I still complete too much.

Raising huge: the frequency with which the table l/r bug pairs should be inversely proportional to you attempting this. This is often a waste of money at some of my games.