Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeportMainePoker
I hear you. I tried to write this post a few times before today and always ended up in TL.DR territory. It wasn't until a few days ago when I was sitting at the tables that I started to peel back the layers to see if there was some kind of 'catch all' fundamental thing I was doing when I was watching for leaks in other players.
Whenever I speak to inexperienced live players they all say that they try to pay attention to the session, but they don't really know what they are looking for. They just end up overwhelmed with information and don't know what to do with it.
The trouble I have is that Im so used to adjusting to things like stack sizes and population tendencies, that I don't notice what my subconscious is figuring out, my experience just takes over.
The good news for these new young guys is that they learned playing super nitty online games against really good players so their default strategy is so much better than the older rec players who never really bothered to learn the modern game. I love watching their faces when their AA gets called down for 3 streets with 2nd pair no kicker by Bill the retired cabbie.
Good point on "paying attention, but not knowing what to look for".
To speak to that point, something interesting I have found (as well as many of my co-workers) is that we are so much better at hand reading while dealing than we are while playing. I think it's because we are literally controlling the game and paying attention to each and every player non-stop. (At least the good dealers are who are good at their job and care about the game).
I find that the overwhelming majority of low stakes live players pay way too little attention to what is going on, as well as making an active effort to remember the details of what has previously happened. A lot of them play in a vacuum, so to speak. They miss the most obvious things such as "Seat 3 has opened 8 times in the last 2 orbits" - making his PFR % to something like 40% (given a 10 handed game). Nobody adjusts to this and this is a perfect spot to exploit such player by 3-betting them in position with a proper hand for this spot. My range in this spot would vary and this would be another discussion, but depending on how often this player C-bets, if he is flop, turn, or river honest, his stack size, how he has reacted to aggression previously, etc almost makes my cards irrelevant if I feel that the players behind me have no interest in playing the hand (which is another topic, these players often telegraph a ton of info preflop and when dealing I almost always know who is going to play and who isn't).
See, this is already getting too long with too many bullet-points lol.
Another thing that comes to mind (just recapping work from last night) is how to effectively deal with tight players who min-buy (short stackers). A lot of them will look to limp re-raise and try to trap, they will often raise too large, often in proportion to their hand strength. When they open raise 8-10x preflop, their range is often TT-AA, AQ-AK. They will often fold their small blind when getting great pot odds to call from a 5-way limped pot. If you find yourself in the cutoff or button position when this player is in the blinds, if the spot is right, steal often. The spot right being all action has folded to you, or there are one or two limpers and you pick up a value hand or hand that plays well post-flop in multi-way pots (if you are confident in your post-flop play and the stacks sizes are correct). Talking about stack sizes being correct in this spot could be a whole different post. As I said earlier, there's so many details in my memory 'database' that go into determining these spots - to me, it's just natural when I recognize them because I've seen these hands play out tens of thousands of times.
A great exercise to recognize good spots and get better is just to watch live low stakes hands. That's one benefit of being a dealer. Eventually, after many hours, an 'alarm' will go off in your head.
Also, at the very basic foundational level, when you sit down at the table, the first thing you should do is categorize your opponents as either "competent" or "incompetent" players. Both have varying levels and will allow you to adjust and make plays further on in the session.