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11-18-2013 , 05:54 AM
1/2 3am about

Black guy (BG) just sat down, definitely recognize him but don't remember specific sessions with him. Being very aggressive and him plus a bad/really tired guy are making this play more like 2/5. I think we were 6 handed.

BG (~$520) makes it $15 in EP, tired guy (~$400) calls, Hero (~$450) in SB makes it $55 with AKo. Only BG stays in. This was for straight value, I've been playing AK and AQ from the SB in clear +EV spots like this like a pussy recently, obv would've loved to be OTB, just saying I wasn't trying or expecting to take it down pre.

Flop (~$120) K K 5

What's the best way to use BG's aggression against him? I was thinking that KT, KJ, KQ I don't need to worry about, I'll get ai by the river no matter what I do. Since I started out live folding or calling these "not insanely strong but clearly ahead of limpers' ranges pf" hands from the blinds, I haven't been in this spot a lot. I was going to c-bet pretty much any flop, sizing would depend on how well I hit it or felt BG hit it. But now that I have the mortal nuts, should I bet a little smaller than my $55 pre and try to get him to spazz raise? Or check the flop and hope for the same?

FWIW, I have the same dilemma with small pp's oop, specifically from the blinds in a pot where like 5 guys call a small raise. I know we figure out if we plan to get 20:1 on our call if we hit the set, but I've been folding small pp's from the blinds recently because I don't know how or if I could get massive amounts from the pf raiser if I hit my set with him acting behind me.
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11-18-2013 , 06:05 AM
I'd just bet half pot every street
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11-18-2013 , 06:23 AM
Personally I just bet bigger live. I usually bet 80-100% the pot size on boards like this
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11-18-2013 , 09:56 AM
There are a lot of different lines you could take here, any of which might be best depending on villain and what hand he actually has. With no other read then villain is pretty aggressive, I check/call flop half the time and lead $65/$70 half the time. If villain is not one I expect to play on a regular basis and is very aggressive/bluffy then I will check/call both flop and turn and sometimes river because this will almost always get at least one bet and usually two even in the likely case of villain having nothing.
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11-18-2013 , 10:05 AM
In a spot like this I might bet like $40, hoping BG thinks weakness and comes over the top (in which case we flat). Then something like check turn and let him barrel
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11-18-2013 , 10:23 AM
Bet the flop, check the turn, bet the river.
If he bets the turn just call.
Stacks are good size to get it in on the river with 3 bets.
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11-18-2013 , 10:53 AM
I'd bet heavier on the flop, say $90-95. More likely you'll get a call here than the turn. This sizing also allows you to play for stacks if he has KX. Even a non-believing pp will call flop.

I'd c/c turn and shove river depending on run out and any live reads you may pick up.
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11-18-2013 , 11:36 AM
Is difficult extract value
If the villain has paid but if not .....
Flop and turn weak and strong river (bluff)
Half, half and pot
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11-18-2013 , 12:19 PM
C-bet about 3/4 pot, as if you had QQ. Do not check hoping for c/r or c/c. Sometimes he calls and you get a street or more of value, sometimes he folds and we have to be happy with a 25bb pickup.

Small pp's, multiway, flopping a set from the blinds: Just lead 1/2pot.
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11-18-2013 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Bet the flop, check the turn, bet the river.
If he bets the turn just call.
Stacks are good size to get it in on the river with 3 bets.
i like this. probably bet 2/3 or even 1/2 PSB on flop. doesnt seem like this guy is thinking of ranges and sht just what he has and how u can be bluffing.
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11-18-2013 , 12:27 PM
Bet half pot to a little more. Check/call is OK, but I'd bet most hands here, so I'm betting AK. I think c/c looks stronger and he might shut down.

Bet half pot on turn. 2/3 pot river.
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11-18-2013 , 05:10 PM
I'd bet $60 (1/2 pot) on the flop and then CRAI turn. He has to know you're c-betting with your whole range here, so it gives him a chance to either bluffraise or float you, depending on his preference. If he checks behind turn, maybe he'll pay off a value bet with a PP OTR.
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11-18-2013 , 05:39 PM
Don't like checking the flop at all. Aggro opponents usually don't fold postflop to one bet in a 3bet pot. Whether he has air or value he's got to be very likely to peel the flop to try and outplay you on future streets.

I'd much prefer a check OTT if you're going to slowplay at any point. That's the line I'd be likely to take because I'd like to give him some rope to hang himself and I think he'll bet close to 100% of his continuation range OTT. Even if he doesn't take the bait we can still get value OTR because I doubt we're getting three streets unless he has Kx.
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11-19-2013 , 02:50 AM
Wow!!
Every one a different strategy !!
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11-19-2013 , 03:12 AM
Actually, a consensus seems to be forming around the bet/check/bet line. Add me to the list.
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11-19-2013 , 03:14 AM
I lead for $50 and BG thought for a while and folded. I guess he just had the bottom of his EP pf raising range.
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11-19-2013 , 03:16 AM
i would check..only cause villain is aggro he can bet himself... me it would be check/call.. bet/bet
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