It's just so V dependent, but here's why I wouldn't want to shove.
If the initial limper is trapping, I'd at least want the option of folding when he shoves. Obviously, people like to trap straddled pots and even pretty bad recs are observant enough to know that when a short, tilted stack straddles, he will raise or shove when limped to much of the time. So people trap here a lot.
There might be some really bad post flop play. As Mike said, someone might put in a huge chunk of their stack with 66 or AQ and then fold when they miss.
A shove looks pretty bluffy.
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
The daytime 1/2 games in my room almost always have 5-7 guys with $60-$100 and a couple with $100-$200 stacks. If you cant beat the rake in that game, I dont know what to tell you.
These aren't "short stackers" as in guys playing a good short stack strategy. They are horrible poker players who play buy in short so they dont lose too much money at one time. There is no reason a good player cant destroy that game for 10-15BBs/hr.
The game I'm imagining is a bunch of older people who want to be at the table for a long period and don't want to lose all their money when their AA gets cracked. The kinds of people who like to check it down with each other HU and get a boner when they get to chop. They want to play weak-tight, first level poker and not worry about implied odds and tough spots.
If they are taking $80/hr off the table and Vs have like $600 combined, and are playing short to avoid being punished for weak tight play, I don't know how we are going to be making $30 an hour. Just by stealing the blinds?
Still seems extremely boring.
Now, if these are just crappy players who buy in short and then keep rebuying, that's great. But if that's true, there should be more money on the table because someone should be winning.
I guess that's the bottom line to me. No matter how bad the players are, if there's much to be won, somebody should have chips, if only through luck.
If there is anything but a 10% rake, like if they are taking a $1 promo drop otf... It's just really going to suck imo.
Maybe I just don't know the right tactics. But the thing is, I don't remember ever really seeing other players beat up these games much either.