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I'm playing at this particular card room where i often meet this guy who verbally announces to the table they should get out of the hand whenever hero enters because hero plays solid poker and that hero's range is typically "strong". As well, he discusses openly about hero's strategies among themselves and tells the fishes what to do in general when facing hero in a pot.

If the fish does adjust and "wisen up", I will too adjust to the fishes and the table of players in general because their plays are very unbalanced and the regs are terrible in their own ways.

Besides the verbsl bully, that particular player too, likes to seat select aggressively on hero. Though I'm not concerned that hes on my direct left because i have since adjusted to him, but that definitely gives additional pressure to us. And i have anxiety issues, though i try to calm my nerves whenever i have a playable hand and V comes into the pot.

That particular player definitely take this card room as his homeground because he's on very good terms with almost everyone there including the fishes except hero and he tends to say that like, "oh wow, 6 hours of play and you are making 50 bucks per hour! Great!" In every session. How annoying is that? And it isnt in a good way when he says it. More like sarcasm.

But it certainly gets on ones nerves when it occurs in every session and that particular player is on the same table as us.

The floor manager does **** and doesn't give a **** "because it doesn't violate their card room's rules"

I'm intending to stay and fight until i move up stakes because i have records of these players

How do you deal with this situation?

Skip to step three if you want.

1. Punch villain in the mouth.

2. Shout "YOU GOTTA STRAT FO' DAT?" or "HOW YOU LIKE THAT STRAIGHT?"

3. Find another card room or table change.

Thanks Havick im not a tree hehe. I have thought about it before though I have concerns such as distances I have to travel, but besides point 1, 2 and 3, have you ever taken any actions that might be viable?

I'm not concerned about V being a poker bully because I'm certain I crush him, just that he's a smart alec and am friends with the regs there while i tend to keep to myself and smile

They don't have one person to a hand rules?

It's hard to give detailed advice without knowing you. Are you sure you aren't blowing things out of proportion? Do you table talk about strategy? Are you excessively slow, a constant and big rules nit or anything else like that? Just trying to guess why a reg might single you out.

someone doesnt need to know you well to say general stuff like "seat X is so tight. just fold and dont play vs him"

ive had people do this to me in LA casinos.

Then say “not as tight as your mom last night” and see what happens.

Talk a little trash and he’ll back off. Turtle up in a shell and he’ll keep on talking.

What's the one person to a hand rule? If you mean, not talking while the hand is going on, everyone abides to that. But after the action is over the fish will get "free poker lessons" from that player and everyone just chimes in unknowingly, thinking it's just another day.

Hm, i don't think I am. I feel. I might be wrong but I don't see such stuff happening to other players.

Nope I don't think strategy. I like to keep to myself for the most part unless if someone talks to me or engages me in anyway.

Nope, not exactly slow either unless if I'm facing a difficult spot which I believe i take shorter amounts of time than other players because I don't like to hold people back.

As for the nitty part. In the three sessions i think, I'm nitty af. Cos i havent been playing poker for a few years and I forgotten many mechanics and concepts(which I relearn pretty quickly with coaching and lots of studying). But I believe V might still have the thought that hero is nitty af etc although I really don't have a playable hand or some hand which I feel comfortable opening with at that particular point in time. I made some mental notes of how my VPIP was in the last session and it's about 7vpip to about 70 hands. Table is very loose and lots of money(relative to the stake) is exchanging hands. I have a over thinking fish who sat on my direct right as well as table half full with fishes and the other half, bad loose regs. There's action in every hand and almost every hand goes three ways to the flop or more. So, I might have adjusted and opened up my ranges but my table image is still "nitty" and also due to the amount of hands dealt per hour it might feel like a day has passed when its only 3 hours or so.

Let's say that hero is blowing things out of proportion, but this situation is still really annoying. Besides changing tables or card rooms, what adjustments would you make to your mental self or otherwise?

That's very funny, I like it hehe.

Yeah I agree that I'm turtling up in a shell to avoid confrontations. That's really good advice i feel thanks JohnnyBuz

It depends on what he's saying about you. If he's saying you're a nit, that's a trait of a losing player. Either way, deviate from what he's saying about you. Show a bluff when you get one through, call down lite, whatever. Make him a liar. It would be better if you could stack him and then ask why he didn't win. If you are able to beat him in a sizable pot, needle him. No kidding, that kill him.

If all else fails, talk to him away from the table. Tell him to shut the **** up. Guys like that aren't used to being called out on their bs. If you pick on him, if lay odds he'll shut up. Like others said, if you turtle it's negative reinforcement. He'll just keep on because you're rewarding his behavior. Like a dog.

Lastly, I wouldn't worry about it too much. I've actually seen people do the opposite of advice like villain is giving. If it's low limit, chances are no matter what villain advises, other villains aren't going to adjust because they're pretty face up. Most strat talkers at the table are full of **** anyway.

If you want to make him stop giving advice mid hand when you are in hands with people then you need to confront him and embarrass him for being an idiot/being out of line. You don't have to swear and you don't have to get mad. Just be firm and don't back down. I have played in rooms with many pros and some act the same way. All you need to do is confront them in a mature way and they will avoid you like the plague or stop because if you are in the right then they will feel embarrassed. If not because of that, then they stop because they realize they need to play at this room so they cant afford to have their reputation be a certain degree of awful. If they are certifiably wacked out of their mind and too dangerous to confront then I would avoid them. Most people who act like *******s to you have been practicing for years so I am sure there are others.

Cliffs; Mature Confrontation/Embarrassment is the best way but if crazy avoid them or (induce them to do something stupid that will get them kicked out)

No guys. In poker, like in life, you must let it flow. That is the only way to end it.

Smile, tell him you are waiting for black aces and nothing else, and go back to watching tv.

When you finally decide to play a hand, look at him directly and loudly exclaim “gotem!”

Seriously, just embrace it. If he gets too out of line or aggressive, put some earbuds in. But I deal with these types a lot (I am a giant nit...as that is optimal) and they usually end up liking me because I’m always smiling and never tilt (openly).

There are things you can do to open up your game, but these come way down the road. Don’t do them as a reaction to someone needling you. Just be social and quick witted...or put earbuds in.

I got called a nit a lot by regs, mainly because I’m a nit. I went with it, joked about waiting for suited aces when folding, claimed to have folded JJ in SB to limps, folded flops saying ‘no set no bet’ and so on.

Funny thing, it’s been a while since I’ve been told I’m playing too tight, so my guess is that they may have been trying to tilt me and since I didn’t tilt and I didn’t loosen up, they stopped trying.

However, openly discussing your range during a hand is total BS and if the room won’t enforce the rules I would consider just moving rooms. If that’s not going to happen, change up your range sometimes so it’s wrong and cbet a lot of flops when the problem guy is saying you ‘obviously’ have top pair/overpair. Bluff him more and never show. Let him overfold.

SSRIs

And remember, no one can make you feel. You make yourself feel. Every event is neutral until you attach meaning and then thought to it, at which point you make yourself feel.
Proof is easy, this guy has near zero impact on my life nor does it bother me he behaves this way. You on the other hand make yourself feel otherwise. His behavior remains the same, but we react differently to it.
Apply this to your life and overcome your anxiety issues. Rational thought ftw.

Wow thank you Havick! Totally agree with everything you said

It's true I am nitty af in the first few session and that particular player was from another card room which i frequent in the past before i stopped playing poker. His terrible behavior has been the same

I like to keep away from confrontation is because I won't let him off once I start, and that would also mean the end of my poker career at that card room and the local community

I'll try to pick on him with my bluffs and talk alittle **** hahaha!

Totally agree man fishes just don't learn. I remember how difficult it was for me to absorb and learn new concepts when i was first starting out, abd even if V were to learn new ****, i would have already moved on hehe

I picked up alot about V's tendencies and which side of the button V tend to lean against by hearing their table talk and watching how they play against specific board textures, and very true most of them know nuts about what they are saying or doing!

They do it after the hand though and they do it in such a way that it reinforces this "bad incident" into fishes minds so much that i feel that that is why this card room have poor business as compared to other card rooms in town

And yes I think the player have been practicing what he's doing for years, it's kind of like a "this is me and i do me, you no like me **** off pls" kind of ****

Their advices though are terrible because in the heat of the battle I definitely have a edge against the fishes(my main income) and against most of the regs(which i have records of, and am adjusting to them without going to showdown and that's why they have this perceived nitty image of hero)

That's good advice you have the two speeches you taught me is very good too and it definitely fits my style and i believe i can put them to good use

I did try earbuds before with music but I space out quite often and if V checks by tapping the table I'll miss it completely but that's still good advice, I'll probably leave one out of my ear

I'm pretty introverted when I'm with strangers or my "colleagues" lol though I still try to be as friendly as I can

Thanks Avaritia

Wow i like your lines too! Now that i think back, I usually just smile or put up my "poker face" while raking in the chips. Many folks who are more vocal will tend to say **** sometimes off the cuff

They do it after the hand though, it would be a really A O thing to do if they did it in the hand.

Thanks for the advice and sharing of your experiences

[PHP][/PHP] That's right! Actually thinking about it, people say **** all the time. Although the **** that player said does cause me to feel uneasy but it's just that, nothing more. I'll still get my money at the end of the session.

Now that i think about your words again it's like being mindful, here, it's about being mindful that the players words doesn't matter

Thanks Amanaplan for setting me in the right direction.

I'll be going to a private game tonight and hope it goes well!

PS : what's that SSRI? I googled it and it says it's a antidepressant/anxiety reducing drug

Do you have experiences with it? I often feel cloudy in my head and i wonder if it could be due to the anxiety

first, the dude is an idiot if he is chasing off the fish. I would put zero value in what he has to say.

second, let him run his mouth. he will give up info everytime if you look for patterns.

lastly, I witnessed this about 20 years ago.
Game was 3/6 limit with a 6/12 kill.

Hyperagressive older Asian woman and a Degen fat dude are at each others throats in every pot. The Asian woman wins a couple in a row and the kill is on.

There also was a quiet old rancher in the game. Cheap straw cowboy hat. Faded worn out wrangler jeans. That weird straight leg cut that you see from disco movies in the 70s. Cheap plaid long sleeve shirt and beat up old cowboy boots. The dude is worth tens of millions and has been playing poker forever.

The Asian chic and the Degen cap it before the flop. six players.

(144)

Flop is A Q3

they cap it on the flop. the old rancher calls as the two villians go at it.

(216)

turn A Q 3 4

they cap it again. old rancher just calls.

(360)

river A Q 3 4 5

The old rancher bets out 12 from the SB. She instantly calls. The fat Degen sheepishly calls too.


The old Asian lady is now standing straight up and taking notice of the rancher for the first time in the hand. She is visibly shaking and peering hard at the rancher, stammering out aggressively, "wat you got? wat you got?"

She instantly rolls over AQoff. The fat Degen throws AK in the middle with disgust.

The old rancher clumsily and slowly rolls over 22.

The Asian woman loses it. She goes on a verbal tirade for at three straight minutes telling the rancher how dumb and stupid he is. How he must be blind. And how he will lose all his money. Rapping her knuckles on the table and straight up snarling at him.

He just kind of gazed at her as if he was looking at a road sign, or a piece of nonsensical art, or an abandoned car on the side of the road. He wasn't really looking at her, he was more gazing upon her. As if she was completely inanimate.

She finally demands some sort of acknowledgment of her berating and she says, "You so stoopid. You say nothing??"

He gives a short sigh, as if he is flipping through the channels on the TV and can't find one thing worth watching and quietly asks her, "You wanna help me count my chips?"

OMFG. Every single person within earshot freaking lost it. A couple of players just got up from the table and racked up because they couldn't stop laughing as the old Asian woman's face turned bright ****ing red and the strain in her voice shot into the stratosphere as she unleased another verbal tirade of swears and insults. The game basically broke for like 5 minutes while the old woman screamed, the old rancher quietly and very slowly made stacks and stacks of white chips, and everyone else laughed their ass off.

Point being, verbal bullies are nothing more than clowns for your amusement. Treat them as such.

If it s not during hands just ignore it. I mean if some reg says lol u paid off that nit never do that after the hand you just gotta let that go. It is what it is.

I thought it was much more extreme based on op thats why i thought you prob clashed over something and asked if you were a rules nit who show one show all'd him or something and he took offense or guy who slows the game way down. If hes just a talkative reg fish in between hands thats kind of standard imo.

People rarely call me a nit but when someone insinuates something like that I just tell them I'm waiting for Aces and will make it a big ordeal everytime I fold about how I'm waiting for Aces.

I think showing some bluffs would be good but you certainly do not want to deviate from your normal game. One of the main reasons he is bullying you is because he wants you to change the way you are playing.

I don't really get bullied at the poker table these days, but back when I was newer to live poker and did get bullied I learned that they would generally quit after I went off on them verbally. But if you do go off on him, you need to keep your emotions in check and focus on playing perfectly.

I mean sure, if you don't care about whether players pay you off or not I guess it's fine. However, this man is costing you money.

Same way you deal with a bully in grade school, you confront him. Either that or prepare to keep getting bullied.

Im on the table bullies side. Sorry OP.

You're nit style of play is bad for the game. Hate to break it to you. This guy, and other bad regs are gambling it up creating a fun atmosphere and you are a rock taking up a seat in their game.

I realize that being a nit is profitable in this game (vpip of 10% lol wtf?). But you should expect some hazing if everyone is dumping $ to you and all you have to do is sit there and play 10% of hands (jesus that is low.)

It doesn't help you're an introvert either. Think of if everyone who came to the card room played and behaved like you. The game would be dead in a month.

Me and some regs do this sometimes to tilt the nit regs and scared $ at the table. We are often playing very tight and solid as well, but there's some things you can do to give yourself a looser image without sacrificing some EV. Make a squeeze play over limpers with like 95s every once in a while and show the bluff (it's prolly a +EV play anyway if the game is playing slow or the limpers are weak/tight). Talk about going all in blind or even fake offer to do a flip with someone.

Having a rock image that isn't fun to play with isn't going to get my sympathy.

I'm sorry. What was the question?