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How do you deal with ignorance at the poker table? How do you deal with ignorance at the poker table?

12-07-2015 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
What if a couple of drunks get into a debate over which of their English football teams is the best?
Dangerous situation that - you need to change the subject quickly before it kicks off. Half an hour on politics or religion should calm them down
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12-07-2015 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
The best tables are where people are interacting & having fun. Sitting a table full of grinders, with their headsets on & not saying a word is boring.

The best games are usually after midnight, when people are gambling it up & chattin' about the hand when it's over. Numerous topics of discussion come up that leads to laughter. Those are the games I enjoy & join in the conversation......Politics does not lead to laughter. If you make a joke about a certain politician, you are sure to offend someone at the table.

Debating whether Obama is the worse president in their lifetime, despite the fact that you have to go back to 1999 to find a year where there were as many jobs created as there were this year. Not that I am saying Obama is the reason for this.

Or whether Obama is truly a Muslim with a secret agenda of letting all those immigrant refugees into the U.S. to flood us with terrorists.

Or, whether Hillary is guilty of receiving classified emails on her private server, or is at fault for not seeing beforehand what was sure to happen in Benghazi.

Or, if Trump really will build a wall all the way across the Mexican border & deport 11 million illegal immigrants.......

All of this and more, from people who continue to re-elect the same people into Congress [well over 80% last election] despite the fact that Congress got a 12% approval rating last election, well, it's not my cup of tea.

And they do it over & over again.....Congress has an approval rating of around 20%, or less, & over 80% of the incumbents win their vie for re-election. I challenge you to find any election in which <80% of the incumbents were not re-elected.

Maybe I was a little to harsh in labeling people who think they know what they're talkin' about when it comes to politics as 'ignorant idiots' but I don't know how else to describe them.

"The best argument against a democracy, is a 5 minute conversation with your average voter." - Winston Churchill

It's like when a troll jumps into the middle of a healthy debate on how best to handle a situation in a hand that's been posted, providing no valuable input, but rather just stirrin' up the argument, lookin' for a response so he/she can get their rocks off.

Here we have a group of posters, enjoying themselves in a lively discussion, when along comes the troll fruckin' things up with his/her argumentative diatribe, void of any substance.




What if a couple of drunks get into a debate over which of their English football teams is the best?
For most of the things you mentioned, you should just grow up and ignore it/change the subject. I probably wouldn't be cool with someone claiming that Obama is a secret Muslim without saying something, and there's plenty of Trump-related stuff that I would feel compelled to disagree with, but for the most part, who cares? You can live through some boor saying stuff you disagree with for 10 minutes.
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12-07-2015 , 07:30 PM
Calling someone ignorant for not following your made up rules about what you are allowed to talk about at a poker table is the height of irony.
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12-07-2015 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by t_roy
Calling someone ignorant for not following your made up rules about what you are allowed to talk about at a poker table is the height of irony.
What do you call it when someone spouts off the position of Hannity, or one of those far left liberals on MSNBC & seeks no other sources to form an opinion of their own?

It's not my made up rule either. Usually what happens is that nobody wants to talk politics & it quickly dies. The majority of people in a poker room know better, or just want to have fun & are not interested. They are not interested in debating political ideological beliefs.

If people are going to debate something, other than sports, they prefer it be something like which stock is the best pick for the next 6-12 months.

The most common debates revolve around sports, fantasy sports & whose the hottest woman in the film industry right now. All safe topics, that brings smiles & laughter.
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12-07-2015 , 08:32 PM
Okay, I can see why that stuff is annoying but it's actually pretty tame compared to a lot of the dumb stuff I've read online so maybe I'm just used to seeing people say stupid things. I get more tilted by comments I read on Youtube, for example.
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12-07-2015 , 09:46 PM
All I'm saying is that I believe the best atmosphere for a good poker game, is a jovial atmosphere. I've never encountered, except with 2 people I worked with [one a liberal & the other a conservative], a political debate that was jovial.

Those 2 people, who I would go to lunch with ~4/6 times a month when they were both in town, almost always talked politics. However, nobody ever raised their voice. It was all in a 'matter of fact' tone. My only involvement in the conversation was to ask questions, since they were 'political junkies.'

I have never heard, at a poker table, a prolonged political debate that was conducted in a 'matter of fact' tone. Nor one that was jovial.

I also cannot remember having encountered one where more than 3 of the people at the table joined in. It was 2 maybe 3 at the most.

I only encounter topics being discussed by 4/5 or more players when it's a jovial topic. Like football, baseball, basketball & their fantasy sports picks.

Jovial discussion fosters a jovial poker environment.
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12-07-2015 , 11:45 PM
I have seen many conversations about current events, politics, and even religion. I have never seen one get out of hand. I have been in sone that got a tad uncomfortable, but they are usually easy enough to move onto another topic. People like to discuss these things and should be allowed to.

Don't call people ignorant just because they don't adhere to your belief system. People can have legitimate reasons for views across the political spectrum.

OP is basically asking how to handle people that disagree with you. That problem is not unique to poker. Imo the key is to accept the fact that people think differently and you are never going to change that.
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12-08-2015 , 04:35 AM
Point taken troy. My problem with it at a poker table has nothing to do with whether I ahree with them. I'm saying it usually isn't going to make for a jovial atmospherr.
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12-08-2015 , 06:50 AM
When you were young, and your heart was an open book,
you used to say "Live and let live."
You know you did.
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12-08-2015 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
Point taken troy. My problem with it at a poker table has nothing to do with whether I ahree with them. I'm saying it usually isn't going to make for a jovial atmospherr.
You said you would leave a good game, so clearly it has something to do with you disagreeing.

Do whatever it takes to keep the game good, but I would rather have someone talk about politics than just have everyone stare silently at each other.
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12-08-2015 , 06:26 PM
People talking about current events is a problem? Politics, yeah sure, that's often a problem because no matter what your stance is, someone is going to be irritated if you state it.

In a casino poker setting, I deal with someone talking to me about something that I find actively annoying with a technique that you might call 'indifferent politeness'.

I acknowledge their words with small nods of the head or 'mm' noises while indicating my complete and utter disinterest via body language i.e. facing my torso away from them, turning away every time they stop talking for half a second, excusing myself to make decisions when in hand and so on.

Most people get the message pretty fast, ideally you need to do this with no attitude whatsoever. It's a thin line because you want them to get rapidly bored talking to you but without feeling belittled.
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