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04-16-2018 , 04:52 PM
2/5 NL cash game

9 handed

Stack sizes: UTG +2 $450, Cut off $400, SB $650 ( Hero)

UTG +2 raises to $15
Cutoff calls $15
SB (Hero) calls $15

Hero's Hand Ad6d

Flop: As4h6c

SB(hero) checks, UTG+2 bets $25, Cutoff calls $25, SB(hero) raises to $125, UTG+2 calls $125, Cutoff re-raises to $350 leaving about $135 behind, I ended up re-jamming all-in with my top 2 pair, and the UTG+2 over calls and the cutoff calls

Turn: Kc
River:8s

UTG+2 had AcKd
Cutoff had 6s6h

My question is knowing her re-raised my check raise on the flop is there a possibility I gave my top 2 pair too much credit? I was really contemplating folding thinking he had something like pocket 4's since I block the pocket Aces and pocket 6's.

What are your guys thoughts? Should I have folded on the flop or was the re jam a good move?
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04-16-2018 , 05:06 PM
Given the lack of a flush draw, I do think it's conceivable to fold on this board if you have a strong read, but it's pretty tough and not sure I advise. This is a cooler, let's move on.

BTW there are more combinations of A4 (6) than 44 (3) and 66 (1) combined, but this assumes that they can call with A4o.
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04-16-2018 , 05:32 PM
Standard cooler less than 100BB unless you have some sort of soul read. You're ahead of one combo of a4 suited, tying with a combo of a6 suited, and then sometimes beating random spazzes with 75, 53, AK/AQ.
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04-16-2018 , 05:36 PM
Standard cooler.
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04-16-2018 , 05:47 PM
You'd have to be really good to fold this OTF.
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04-16-2018 , 05:49 PM
If you don’t think the CO can have A6 and A4o it’s a fold, if he has those hands, it’s a call. If you think they are both clueless and are going wild with AQ you can also call.

Your equity 3 ways all in if he doesn’t have those hands and UTG has a range of AK/AA/A6s/A4s is 17%. If CO has those hands and/or 57s, you shoot up to over 30%

Calling is definitely fine though and certainly standard.
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04-16-2018 , 05:50 PM
Definitely a cooler. I think your reraise on the flop was correct. Unless you know this person well I couldn't fold either.
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04-16-2018 , 05:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spirit123
You'd have to be really bad to fold this OTF.
fixed
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04-16-2018 , 07:04 PM
FOLD PRE.


FOLD PRE.


























FOLD PRE.

Ap go broke. Folding top two for 80bb can not be good
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04-16-2018 , 07:19 PM
I don't know with the action it's possible you're beat against certain villains and I'd consider a fold. UTG + 2 clearly has a big ace like AK or AQ which accounts for his preflop raise and bet on the flop into two opponents. The call preflop from the CO indicates a small/mid pocket pair or a suited connector/gapper type hand.

I would have played the hand the same way (may have folded preflop), but when the CO reraises to $350 alarm bells should be going off. You have an A and probably so does UTG + 2. Does he have the last A in the deck? I think the worst he's showing up with here is top and bottom pair and most likely has both of you crushed with a set.

What is the image and style of the CO? He's the one you should be most worried about. If he's super aggro, then by all means shove over, if he's a nit consider a fold.
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04-16-2018 , 08:46 PM
3! or fold pre but mostly folding.

You’re not deep and you’re not closing the action which kills all arguments for calling.
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04-16-2018 , 08:59 PM
This was only the 2nd orbit of the session so no particular reads in either of the villains
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04-17-2018 , 10:20 AM
It definitely is a cooler, but you have to at least think about dumping when CO makes it $325 I think, especially given our specific holding and not a draw heavy board. A line of call raise pre/flat flop/3! backraise is generally not a bluff of any kind at this level.

I can't fault you for calling in the moment (80 blinds ldo), but that line is super nutted on that board and it is hard to imagine the combos of A4 and 64 playing the hand this way.

Tough beat.
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04-17-2018 , 10:36 AM
you flopped top 2
to even consider folding on the flop you gotta
ask yourself what did I expect to flop when I called pre?
if you aren't willing to get it all in after flopping top 2 then you should be folding pre without a second thought.
Its a cooler that was easily avoidable by simply folding pre!
too many fish over value suited cards
if it was A6 off would you have called pre from the small blind?

UTG most likely AK
cutoff raise ? what A4? 44? 64?
in the heat of the moment I would sit there curse myself for lack of discipline on not folding pre and stack off to cutoff.
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