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11-20-2014 , 04:38 PM
No reads, just happened about 5 mins ago and still playing. playing 1/2 table, i've got got about 100, covered by V.

UTG limps, folds to me. I peel AJo and I raise the btn to 10. UTG l/rr's me to 24. (At 1/2 this is almost always aces or kings, right?). Eh, I flat. Flop J28. V bets 36. How do I continue with 76 left? Is it going in no matter what?
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11-20-2014 , 05:19 PM
fold to raise pre. fold flop. fold. fold.
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11-20-2014 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Daft_Punk
No reads, just happened about 5 mins ago and still playing. playing 1/2 table, i've got got about 100, covered by V.

UTG limps, folds to me. I peel AJo and I raise the btn to 10. UTG l/rr's me to 24. (At 1/2 this is almost always aces or kings, right?). Eh, I flat. Flop J28. V bets 36. How do I continue with 76 left? Is it going in no matter what?
Fold pre to the limp reraise.

As played I'm shipping and hoping he's cbetting with AQ/AK, TT, but expecting to get called by KK/AA and hope to spike the Jack.

You put yourself into this spot by calling the raise with a short stack. Either buy in for more than 50BB or fold that pre after the raise and tighten up
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11-20-2014 , 05:36 PM
fold to the 3-bet pre. AJ is pretty much never good here. As played...

This to me is a good example as to why playing short is a bad thing. Once you called the 3bet pre, you have $76 left with 25% of your stack in the middle- and you flopped TPTK on a dry board. You are beat here, its pretty much guarenteed-but also pretty tough (if not impossible) to get away from that hand with that stack, and your gona end up setting that money on fire in these types of spots. Top up your stack and dont call 3-bets with marginals.
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11-20-2014 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 2thdoc
Fold pre to the limp reraise.

As played I'm shipping and hoping he's cbetting with AQ/AK, TT, but expecting to get called by KK/AA and hope to spike the Jack.

You put yourself into this spot by calling the raise with a short stack. Either buy in for more than 50BB or fold that pre after the raise and tighten up
For instance, if I buy in for 200BB (At my game its 50-200BB buyin) and had $400 and decided that the UTG limper plays weak post flop but knows to cbet. Maybe I range him on AA/KK/AK and on this flop I float his cbet to see what he does on the turn.

Now the pot is $120 and turn comes a blank below the J you have more wiggle room to evaluate. If villain bombs the turn we can safely fold, being assured he isn't the type to double-barrel with something like AK/AQ/TT/99 etc.

If he checks we can either take the lead and bet out, or check it back. I would almost prefer to check it back here because if we bet the turn what does he call us with? If he's really sticky and will float AK or TT here you can bet for value ~$70-85, but if we check it back we might induce a bluff by a missed AK/AQ and keep his entire range in to the river. He could also have QQ/KK here and just be checking because the pot is getting large, so for that reason I tend to check back the turn and call off his bluffs or if he checks again bet for small value. By checking back the turn we leave hands like ace high in his range, TT,99 etc but by betting we either fold out the hands we beat but keep in the hands we lose to (KK/QQ) or even get check-raised.

make sense?
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11-20-2014 , 06:18 PM
Playing short is super easy. We aren't getting the right price to draw so this is a raise/fold spot...ie if we are ahead of his range we shove and if we are behind we fold. We are behind so we fold. On flop we are still behind so fold.
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11-20-2014 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 2thdoc
For instance, if I buy in for 200BB (At my game its 50-200BB buyin) and had $400 and decided that the UTG limper plays weak post flop but knows to cbet. Maybe I range him on AA/KK/AK and on this flop I float his cbet to see what he does on the turn.

Now the pot is $120 and turn comes a blank below the J you have more wiggle room to evaluate. If villain bombs the turn we can safely fold, being assured he isn't the type to double-barrel with something like AK/AQ/TT/99 etc.

If he checks we can either take the lead and bet out, or check it back. I would almost prefer to check it back here because if we bet the turn what does he call us with? If he's really sticky and will float AK or TT here you can bet for value ~$70-85, but if we check it back we might induce a bluff by a missed AK/AQ and keep his entire range in to the river. He could also have QQ/KK here and just be checking because the pot is getting large, so for that reason I tend to check back the turn and call off his bluffs or if he checks again bet for small value. By checking back the turn we leave hands like ace high in his range, TT,99 etc but by betting we either fold out the hands we beat but keep in the hands we lose to (KK/QQ) or even get check-raised.

make sense?

Say we know he is just getting sticky and floating here, how do we know the advantages of keeping worse hands around for value outweigh the risks of him hitting a bigger hand?
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