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How did I play in this 2/2 NL holdem live game? How did I play in this 2/2 NL holdem live game?

04-21-2015 , 09:34 AM
This are 2 hands from a $2/$2 live game. Everyone is deep stack and I am the "shorter" stack at 300bb ($300),
8 handed.

1st Hand)

I am UTG+1, UTG straddles $5. I looked at my hands and pocket aces smiled at me. I was thinking of limping, but then again if some-reraise and I have to re-reraise it will appear unusually strong. So I just raised to $20. SB calls ( I know this guy to have a very loose range and I have ever seen him make plays like raising river with a bluff or betting 3 streets with middle pair that kind of thing). Big Blind fold, Straddler(UTG) calls the $20.

Pot $62
Flop was King,King,6 (No flush draws)

SB checks, UTG checks, I decided to check here.

Turn was a 9.
Board King,King,6,9 (no flush draws).

SB checks, UTG then bets out $25, I called, SB reraises to $100. UTG calls. (Like I said I have seen SB make fancy plays, UTG could have maybe TT-JJ or 9X he could very well have KX but then pot was $264, and calling $75 seem ok with aces. I called planning to fold to almost any kind of bet in the river.

Lo and behold, river drops another K
Board: K,K,6,9,K

SB checks, UTG bets out $75 to $225 pot. I cant seem to fold a small bet with aces full house, I called, SB folded. UTG had KJ.

How did I play here? I know folding turn is okay, but the SB who did it is capable of making a play that is why I called, if it
was any other player, I would have folded. River seemingly made my hand stronger it was difficult not to call.

2nd Hand)

I was left with about $220.

I have QQ UTG, I raised to $20 (It may seem huge, but players are loose), and yes another 4 players behind me called.

Pot about $104
Flop: :Td: :6h: :5d:

I bet out $75, UTG+1 called me, rest folded.

Turn: :Td: :6h: :5d: :5s: (pot: $225)

I check to pot control and let him bet out his draws/bluffs or Tx.
He betted out $115. (I was thinking whether should I call him and check river?) But I would be left with $85 and it would be a difficult spot. I don't put him on sets as he would have very likely reraised the flop, Also don't put him on KK/AA as he simply called preflop. I think folding is out of the equation on just the turn, so I just decided to value raise back remaining $200.

He called revealing 53 offsuit. and I lose.

How did I play generally, was both hands a cooler? ( I personally think 2nd hand is a cooler, 1st hand I had more control and could have given benefit of a doubt and folded the turn, waited for a better opportunity)

Also, was the river call with $75 in a pot of $225 bad with Aces full house?
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04-21-2015 , 06:50 PM
One hand per thread and no results in the future, please, OP.

Hand one is a b/f OTF and OTT. Calling after all the action is bad, imo. BD may be full of it, but UTG isn't calling a bet and a raise with PP's >K. He has a K here almost always. If I got to the river, I guess I have to call that weak bet with second nuts, but we're almost always facing quads here.

Hand 2 is fine, I think. I prefer betting a turn that wet, but checking it sometimes is OK. He has a lot of pair + draw hands there that get aggro OTT, as well as random 5s.
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04-21-2015 , 06:56 PM
I don't mind the check behind on the flop to turn your hand into a bluff-catcher. But as soon as you've been check-raised and called, it's time to let it go.

Hand 2, jam turn and reload.
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04-21-2015 , 07:09 PM
Checking behind the turn is good. Its hard to get 3 streets of value from worse, there are no bad turn cards, we give hands with very little equity, like j10, a chance to catch up and there are pot control considerations the time someone has a king.

As played we have to fold the turn given that action.
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04-22-2015 , 02:56 AM
Thanks guys for the valuable inputs, I have a clearer picture of what to do next time.
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04-22-2015 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
One hand per thread and no results in the future, please, OP.

Hand one is a b/f OTF and OTT. Calling after all the action is bad, imo. BD may be full of it, but UTG isn't calling a bet and a raise with PP's >K. He has a K here almost always. If I got to the river, I guess I have to call that weak bet with second nuts, but we're almost always facing quads here.

Hand 2 is fine, I think. I prefer betting a turn that wet, but checking it sometimes is OK. He has a lot of pair + draw hands there that get aggro OTT, as well as random 5s.
mind telling us how you construct your b/calling range otf on a KKx board? Kx precisely, and everything else is a bet/fold?
i don´t say you´re wrong about turn and river play, and probably with b/f flop vs some villains, but it´s dangerous imo to go into auto b/f mode that easily...
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04-22-2015 , 08:04 AM
Sorry, I should have been more precise. Flop is a BF if both V's stay in, imo. If one c/r and the other folds, it depends on V type, but if one calls the bet and the other calls, or even more so, if the first c/r and the other flats, then one of them has a K.
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04-22-2015 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Sorry, I should have been more precise. Flop is a BF if both V's stay in, imo. If one c/r and the other folds, it depends on V type, but if one calls the bet and the other calls, or even more so, if the first c/r and the other flats, then one of them has a K.

Yes, very good analysis. I know some players are capable of C/R with say an AK or AQ kind of hand on a KK6 board or on the turn when the action goes check all the way. So almost always bet/folding is a wrong play. But 9 out of 10 times when someone C/R he has the goods, so we just have to call sparingly and use villian type as a judgement.

But in this case if someone C/R as another calls. Then he would have a K as you said. I think I just made a spazz call in the heat of the moment with Aces..(It also didn't help that it was a straddle preflop which gave me the impression that everyone will be slightly more aggro)
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