1/2 NL

Villain: complete fish. plays every hand. bets at almost every flop.

Villain Stack: 400
My Stack: 550

AK spades on puck.
Villain limps under the gun.
Two others limp.
Make it 15.
Villain calls, others fold.
Flop Kc 9c 10h (Pot 37)
Villain bets out 10. I raise to 30. He calls.
Turn kc 9c 10h 3d (pot 97)
Villain bets out 50. I flat call.
River. kc 9c 10h 3d Qc. (pot 197)
Villain checks. I check.
Villain shows Qs 9h.

I'm quite positive i would have lost this hand no matter how i played.(fish where I am from would never fold a pair and gutter). I would appreciate some feed back on how i could have played this better.
Thanks!

~Nedow

Sizing on flop is bad. Bet more.
Turn call ok.
River is easy bet/fold.

Your statement that you would have lost the hand no matter what tells me your mind set is fishy too. Welcome to 2+2. You can learn a ton here. Read the stickies in how to post hands. Good luck!

Flop raise should be to 40. Rest is fine. Unless we've seen villain hero call bets on boards like this with one pair, there's no point in betting the river when everything gets there

Just because you lost the hand does not mean you made a mistake.

Edit - actually there's probably some merit in raising the turn. We have the best hand a lot. If villain is bad/a station like you say the yeah, we should probably raise to turn to like 150

Agreed that flop raise should be higher, but can we consider raising the turn? Assuming that a majority of V's range here is a FD -- in terms of reads, the small donk bets suggest as much, especially at these stakes -- are we losing EV here by calling on the turn to what amounts to a 1/2 pot bet?

I don't see V having a FD in the "majority of his range", but yeah, we really are crushing his range OTT and should raise.

And in the future, OP, leave results out.

Nedow

A lot of folks think that re-raising somebody 3X the initial bet is a standard raise. But that's not always true.
Look at your flop re-raise.
Pot is 37. V bets 10. You reraise 3X... 30.
So now pot is 77 - and all he has to do is call 20.
See why folks here are saying your flop bet is smallish?
Most draws would call 20 to win 77... actually, that would be 97 once the money is added. So he's basically getting 4:1 odds to call. Any str8 or FD should take you up on your offer.
Making it larger to 45-60 is a stronger raise against calling stations.

I think we can all agree the turn is a "brick" - meaning it changes nothing that you or V is holding.
So either you're concerned he has T9, K9 or KT and he flopped 2 pair ... in which case a check/call is standard
Or you should be moving full speed ahead!
He bets out 1/2 pot... $50 into $97 pot. If you thought you had the best hand, you should not just call on such a "wet" board.
Again, as others pointed out - you should be re-raising here as well.
A lot of Vs will donk bet to try and set the price they want to see the river. By calling, you allowed him to do so. (Maybe he's not so fishy after all???)
Here was another opportunity for you to make him pay to complete his draw/ see the river.
A re-raise to 150-200 would have probably ended the hand right their.

The river check/check is the right play with so many possible hand combinations now crushing your single pair.

There are a lot of guys at my casino that play a lot of hands. And while it seems fishy, they are very good at putting opponents on hands and knowing how to play accordingly. Don't judge a player by the hands played. Instead, pay attention to what they do with their hands and which hands they showdown... as well as which they lose. This is a better indication of how good or bad the player is.

Hope this helps.

Welcome to the forum.

I was like what the heck is the puck? Lozlers.

I really think you should have re-popped him on the turn. The board is getting heavier and you need to protect your hand and extract value from weaker ones.

Yes you might have lost a lot more if V can't find a fold button OTT but if he blanks the river you'd have made money. Also I would argue that V does fold on the turn a certain amount of time so your FE isn't 0.

Good luck at the tables and continue posting!

I'd raise ott, pair+draw is a huge part of his range. Do you think the 3d made his hand? Looked like a blocking bet/setting his own price with that 50, make him pay more than he wants.

Grunch

I think the raise in the flop was pretty weak. You raised $20 into a $57 pot. I would make this $60 instead of $30.

That would probably have changed the course of the hand, if he calls, the pot is now $157, and he probably doesn't lead out on the turn, you make it $125 on the turn and he probably goes away. If he does lead out, you shove and again he probably goes away.

If he really won't fold on the turn in either of those scenarios with his hand, you just chalk it up as a bad beat and get it back from him later.

I cast my vote for flatting the turn like you did. Now that you know hes a complete spazzoid you can play top pair to the felt anytime you're in a pot with him. In this spot though I just want to get to showdown and not value bet his hand for him. By the river I think the board is too wet to value bet tptk so I like the check. Aside from the too small flop raise I think you played this hand about as well as you can vs a maniac.

If this is really the case, and we can accurately read our villains, and our bankroll can sustain it then we should really be pushing our edges much stronger.

Raise turn to 165. 3d is a brick.
And welcome to the forum.