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09-03-2013 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
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V1 had black 99, V2 had black AA. Turn T, check check. River T, V1 all-in V2 calls. Ugh. Taught me my lesson in stupid followed by scared.
Wait...you folded?!

Wow. Nice fold. And I'm not being sarcastic.

Pre was obv a mistake but you made the correct fold otf
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09-03-2013 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by blakeatron
1) Unable to win the pot pre
Not a concern if you have nearly no preflop fold equity anyway (which is common at live tables).

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2) Almost 100% playing a single-raised pot OOP without the betting lead
Not if it gets limped around.

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3) If we want to get more money in then a limp/3bet looks stupid strong when we do this with a value hand.
And gets us heads up with our big pairs and top-pair hands -- which in most loose FR dynamics simply will not happen otherwise.

Like I said, limping is exploitable. It's exploitable because a raise (especially a large one) will blow us off most hands we limp. A really passive FR game will not exploit this, because the people around you will raise over almost never. Then in a really laggy FR game where people play reasonably well postflop wide vs wide, multiway pots become both fundamentally unprofitable (because you lose all pot control and will not usually get sufficiently paid off when you hit) and nearly unavoidable (because everyone wants to play poker postflop so any EP/MP raise just gets you 3+ callers). So, the only two ways to solve that situation is to limp 3bet or open ****tastically huge (talking like 10x or more), but opening huge sucks when everyone folds and you just take down the blinds. Limp-3betting gives you two ways to not just win the hand but win sizable pots with your big hands.

Last edited by Aleksei; 09-03-2013 at 11:49 AM.
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09-03-2013 , 02:45 PM
Lol@correct fold otf. We have 45% + equity against those two hands and great equity against possible ranges. Get it in here everytime when you flop the world...especially if you're going to speculate pre.....which pre was very bad, imo.

More results oriented discussion. Just lol.
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09-03-2013 , 02:51 PM
Aleksai you are assuming the perfect situation and inserting "But if's" into spots that don't usually ensure the situations that you are describing. Honestly the only time I see limping being profitable in these games is with small PP, but even then it's still worse than raising pre.

Why are we trying to play 6-way pots OOP with hands like QTo? It's just bad poker.
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