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How to Beat Nits? How to Beat Nits?

01-02-2014 , 09:15 PM
Sorry for a general question but I think it has merit. I usually try very hard to table-select away from a nitty table because I do not know how to beat them and I know I will make very little $ at such a table if any. But I want to learn how to beat them.
01-02-2014 , 09:19 PM
Steal their blinds and barrel when they show weakness. They usually never play back so easy to give up when they show reasonable aggression.

But like you said nits are not going to pad your w/r much. Winning money from nits is like pulling teeth, you are better off playing vs stations.
01-02-2014 , 09:22 PM
This is way too broad and likely to be locked, but the quick answer is bet a lot and take advantage of anything that will scare them.

Example: Raised A7s in CO the other night called in BB by nit old woman. Flop Q87r. Cbet. She calls and I know she's likely got a queen+. Turn 9 checks through. River T she checks. I bet a significant amount and she instantly folds. Even though it didn't make a ton of sense for me to have a J (I guess I could have) she couldn't/wouldn't call with Qx. I suspect she had at LEAST KQ possibly better.

I'm not saying to just go insane every pot trying to get them to fold, but the way to beat them is to exploit their weakness, which is usually abject terror at having something other than the nuts.
01-02-2014 , 09:37 PM
Learning how to beat a game full on nits is important to your poker development. Don't use the "I can't win as much in this game" as an excuse. You can make solid money in this type of game, though the rake has a big impact. Learn to pick spots and control the size of the pot. These are important skills.
01-02-2014 , 09:45 PM
Prolly gonna be locked but.... Just play solid, don't try to outplay. You can make crazy plays against ppl who are below average and are thinking on a low level. If you play solid and don't make mistakes you will win vs bad players.
01-02-2014 , 09:50 PM
I think this depends a lot on how you define a nit. In this forum, I see posters use "nit" in places where I would use "weak tight" or "rock." I was taught that a weak tight/rock is a player that has a VPIP/PFR of something like 12/3 and tends to be very predictable/easy to run over postflop, while a nit is simply the tightest player on the spectrum of winning players (i.e. has a VPIP/PFR of 13/11 but is capable of mixing up play, c-betting, occasionally making a big bluff; not highly exploitable).

If you're using the weak tight definition, then running them over should work well. If you do that for a while and then hit gin when they hit 2pr+ then you probably get the one great opportunity to stack them.

If you're up against a really good thinking nit, then there will still be opportunities to bluff but I don't like the situation nearly as much.
01-02-2014 , 09:52 PM
You can't. It's not possible

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01-02-2014 , 09:52 PM
imo nits are easy to play against, primarily because they play so tight, its really easy to narrow down their hand ranges. But as for trying to win max value from them, unless you have the nuts and they are holding the second nuts, its hard to the maximum. However, it's always nice to stack off nits who have a hard time laying down AA/KK.
01-02-2014 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Axel Foley
I think this depends a lot on how you define a nit. In this forum, I see posters use "nit" in places where I would use "weak tight" or "rock." I was taught that a weak tight/rock is a player that has a VPIP/PFR of something like 12/3 and tends to be very predictable/easy to run over postflop, while a nit is simply the tightest player on the spectrum of winning players (i.e. has a VPIP/PFR of 13/11 but is capable of mixing up play, c-betting, occasionally making a big bluff; not highly exploitable).
I meant weak tight, it's hard to get them to call a raise preflop and it's even harder to get paid off postflop if they don't hit. Your second definition describes my game perfectly lol.

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If you're using the weak tight definition, then running them over should work well. If you do that for a while and then hit gin when they hit 2pr+ then you probably get the one great opportunity to stack them.
How do you run them over?
01-02-2014 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Olaff
I meant weak tight, it's hard to get them to call a raise preflop and it's even harder to get paid off postflop if they don't hit. Your second definition describes my game perfectly lol.



How do you run them over?
C-bets, big bluffs like the one Spike mentioned if they appear MUBSY (and a lot of them will be that way).

Other big thing I didn't mention (this may be super obvious) is that weak tights should make it very obvious when they do have a big hand. If they never raise for five orbits and suddenly make a large 3bet, it's AA/KK. If they limp/re-raise, it's AA and occasionally KK. If they c/r a three flush board, it's probably the nut flush. In their heads they think, "He's playing too aggressively. I'll wait to make a hand and trap him." But it's very difficult for that plan to actually work for them if you're paying attention to their tendencies.
01-02-2014 , 10:25 PM
Depends on your definition of a nit. Good nits are extremely hard to play against while bad nits can be exploited by bluffing them with a high frequency when they show weakness and stacking their overpair that they can't fold. The only way to exploit good nits is to just not give them any action, especially OOP.
01-02-2014 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by daniel9861
Depends on your definition of a nit. Good nits are extremely hard to play against while bad nits can be exploited by bluffing them with a high frequency when they show weakness and stacking their overpair that they can't fold. The only way to exploit good nits is to just not give them any action, especially OOP.
This.

Also Lag it up
01-02-2014 , 10:44 PM
With nits you have to open up your game a bit more with aggression. More preflop raising, c-bets and bluffing. Basically, you have to abuse the fold equity they give you. Also, you have to know when to give up on a hand when they play back at you.


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Originally Posted by daniel9861
Depends on your definition of a nit. Good nits are extremely hard to play against while bad nits can be exploited by bluffing them with a high frequency when they show weakness and stacking their overpair that they can't fold. The only way to exploit good nits is to just not give them any action, especially OOP.
Nits by definition aren't good. The closest thing to a "good nit" is a TAG.
01-02-2014 , 10:45 PM
Raise when they limp, bet when they check to you, and fold when they raise, heh.
01-02-2014 , 11:35 PM
abuse them until they show aggression then fold.... simple
01-02-2014 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by daniel9861
Depends on your definition of a nit. Good nits are extremely hard to play against while bad nits can be exploited by bluffing them with a high frequency when they show weakness and stacking their overpair that they can't fold. The only way to exploit good nits is to just not give them any action, especially OOP.
Isnt "good nits" a bit of an oxymoron?

Pound on them op. 3 bet them light, barrel, semi bluff and fold when they raise.
01-02-2014 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by badbeatninja1
Prolly gonna be locked but.... Just play solid, don't try to outplay. You can make crazy plays against ppl who are below average and are thinking on a low level. If you play solid and don't make mistakes you will win vs bad players.
What is playing solid?

What is outplaying?

What are crazy plays?

What do you consider to be below average?

How is "nit" not of low level?
01-02-2014 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by daniel9861
Depends on your definition of a nit. Good nits are extremely hard to play against while bad nits can be exploited by bluffing them with a high frequency when they show weakness and stacking their overpair that they can't fold. The only way to exploit good nits is to just not give them any action, especially OOP.
What are attributes that make a nit good or bad?
01-02-2014 , 11:59 PM
See the stickies.

Yeah, in general you have to exploit their weaknesses, but you're not going to win much from them because they are going to be involved in so few hands.
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