Wondering if I played this hand as bad as my boyfriend says I did. Please roast me if I did. I'm trying to learn and get better.

7 handed 2-3 game with a $300 max bet.

Effective hj is an action player, playing most hands, raises to $8 which he does often. I'm in the cutoff and make it $30 with black aces.

It folds to the aforementioned player who calls for $22 more.

Flop j35 with the 3 and 5 of diamonds.

Checks to me and I bet$25. He raises to $100 and I call.

Turn 8d. He bets$200. I fold.

How much money did each of you have to begin the hand?

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We were $550 effective.

What board are you going to stack off against an action player on?


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Flop bet is too small. If you bet that small, it's with the intention of inducing, so I just jam the flop on his $100 bet.

I would have bet $45 on the flop.

As played, the fold on turn is OK, I guess. It's a table read, but you should have gotten here differently.

How much do you think the action player would call preflop? Has anyone behind us been 3betting his lol ~minnish opens, especially with other callers in-between? These are some of things I would be considering regarding 3bet sizing (can I get enough in to commit these stacks postflop) versus perhaps even flatting (to reraise a squeeze behind us).

Preflop is pretty tricky cuz we'd love to isolate while also not turning our hand face up and if possible getting in enough money to comfortably commit postflop. But facing such a small raise with these decent sized stacks, that is going to be difficult with just a ~normalish 3bet here. I mean, we did isolate in position (good) but we also created an SPR 8.5 pot where he could make us commit for stacks fairly easy while our hand is face up (even moreso if you have the sexist image of a straightforward ABC woman player, or have we been 3betting a lot?) and we gave him 25:1 IO (albeit we do have position to hopefully negate some of that). It's a tricky spot, imo.

Anyhoo, bottom line for me is that I don't want to commit postflop when my hand is likely face up (unless you tell me your image isn't what I think it is). So I would consider two lines. One line would be checking back the flop to remove stacks from play and then hopefully eke out 2 more streets for value / bluffcatching. Another line would be betting and then most likely folding if he shows aggression because he'd have to be insane in an attempt to get us off our face up overpair.

So looks like you chose the second method. In which case, I would strongly consider folding to the flop check/raise. And I would definitely fold the turn as played as now one his main semi-bluffs got there.

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This line, on the flop, would be quite bad way to play given the sexist stereotype that a lot of population holds that female players overfold to aggression. We kind of don't want to play in to that stereotype, and just fold 100% of our range on the flop here.

Actually, I think AP it's fine to just fold turn given that the diamond gets there which completes his most likely draw. If we had AAx, we would obviously call turn and probably bluffcatch on the river.

+1, preflop 3! too small too, size it up a little

Our hand isn't really face-up, though.

We can be c-betting with NFD with AK or AQ or even KQ (if we decide to 3bet KQs, which we probably should given player description.)
We can have top set with JJ that decides to c-bet given the flush draw on board.
We can be c-betting with "air" like a backdoor draw with two overs, KQ, or even just two overs, AxKx.
We can be c-betting for "protection" with a hand like TT, planning to fold to a raise.

If we get raised, then it's time to play poker -- i.e., don't fold 95% of range, figure out which hands make sense to continue with, and continue with those.

In this case, I would bet/call the flop with all overpairs, AJ, JJ and all our good flush draws, and see what develops.

@ Chaos regarding sexist assumptions being made by Villain

Without any further information, all I can do is make the completely 100% sexist assumption (as well as noting I'm also making a heterosexual assumption on OP as well) that Villain likely thinks OP has a big pair here due to her 3bet preflop and flop bet. So while there might also be a sexist assumption that OP will overfold her hands, that might more typically apply when she has mediocre hands / has shown weakness during the hand / a scare card comes / etc., so I doubt a cluefull Villain is attempting to bring that into play on the flop when she probably has exactly what she is indicating she has.

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Good point on the first comment, I am definitely guilty of heterosexual bias in this thread, I assumed OP was female.

How population responds to female players is an interesting point that I don’t claim to know much of anything about. Some opponents may think a female player can be bullied around, and will overfold to aggression, and might make a play here with a decent draw or maybe air. Or other players may think that a female player will get sticky with overpairs, and assume females only 3-bet QQ+, so they’re going for fat value with 55/33.

I tend to think the assumption is more the former, that females overfold to aggression. But what do I know...

Maybe we just need a read here, If Villain gives off a d-bag vibe, we call down. Else fold flop. LOL.

As a female player, I assume most guys will try to bully me until proven otherwise

I also think that most female players do fold too often to aggression -- at least at lower levels. I am guilty of bullying other female players because I make that assumption (until I learn otherwise)!

I've found that if the woman is a recreational player then outcomes are more binary at she'll often play really tight and only had a premium or really capitalism and could be doing this with A high

Sample size very small though and didn't include women who clearly know what they're doing

Thank you for all your feedback!! I am woman who plays a ton of hours. I'm a winning player and track everything. That being said, I've been playing live for only about a year and a half. The past few months I've done about 150 hrs/month. All the regs at the casino know me and know I'm normally a worthy adversary.

I will three bet with 10s+, ak, aq, j10s+, maybe even 89s etc depending upon the opener and player knowledge. And of course mix this up as everyone would. The biggest part of my game that I still am trying to improve on is what to do when facing agression, what it means in certain situations, and how to deal with the loose aggressive type, which this villain seemed to be. He definitely wasn't aggressive on every hand, but his vpip had to be close to 90%. And he was usually more aggressive heads up.

At the time of the hand, he may have had the perception that I am a tight, scared female player because i had only been sitting down at the table for maybe an hour and a half, been fairly card dead and only raised twice. I don't think I had even been to show down with any hands at that point. He's just a player I've never run into before, so he could have definitely stereotyped me. I've seen him fold to some three bets and call some 3bets. Later in the session, he did both against me.

Looking back, I think I need to 3bet the flop to put him to the test, because, what is he really raising with? A flush draw? Aj? But then that leaves the question of sizing. He makes the flop $100. I have about $495 left. If I make it $300 or $400 would actually be the highest I could raise, that leaves 1-200 for the turn and the pot is almost too big to fold if he calls the flop 3 bet. I'm assuming this is the best move against this player type in general. Especially if we factor in how he could be stereotyping.

Please keep the advice coming! Everything helps.

if he's vpipping 90 and only seen you this session where you're card dead I'd lay very good money that he thinks you'll lay down anything but the nuts and can push you off a hand with agression

in your specific situation as played i'd say it's a call

if he's a reg who knows you're competent then you were correct to fold imo, especially without the ace of diamonds

would size up a little more preflop to where he could fold but won't, maybe 34?

on flop like others said, don't bet it small there unless you're trying to induce so you should have jammed flop after he raised or just led out with a psb vs a 90 vpip guy

for what it's worth, imo folding when you shouldn't is far less costly than calling when you should have folded - also a decent chance fold was correct, given his range of atc it's not implausible he has flush or two pair

It's funny, I'd have the exact opposite take that RR has (not a surprise?).

An unknown sees you as the stereotypical tight only-3bets AA/KK woman who hasn't done anything in this session to suggest otherwise. So he'd have to be fairly maniacal to get you off of that.

Whereas the regs have learned that you are someone who could get way more out-of-line here and have a lot of whiffed flops / air in your range. So much more likely to come after you.

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Line seemed more-or-less ok.

If we bet a little bigger on flop its easier to get stacks in on river, but that's not a big deal. I think the sizing is good.

We could 3! flop but i prefer flat.

8d seems like one of our best turn giveups unless villain is total maniac and we don't fold anything.

I would normally agree but think you're giving too much credit to a 90vpip in a 1-3 game

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I don't want to give too much credit to a 90vpipper, and obviously if he's a maniac / completely clueless then lets do this thing, but I'm pretty sure we should know by now whether that is who we're dealing with. Otherwise, getting into a lotta pots for as cheap as possible ain't exactly equivalent to punting ~200bbs into perceived AA every hand.

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