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How bad did I play this Encore Boston 1/3 NL (first post!) How bad did I play this Encore Boston 1/3 NL (first post!)

08-05-2019 , 10:36 AM
Been on the forums for a few years now. Decided to jump in and get some advice on some recent hands played.

1/3 NL Encore Boston roughly 1:30 pm, recent Wednesday

Hero =$250 effective (down about $150) TAG

Table Dynamics = I have been at table since 8 am. Table has recently received three to four new players. V is new has opened and called a lot of hands within the half hour he has been there. I havent played a hand in the last few orbits.

OTTH

Hero is in BB = 62hh, 5 limpers to this point.
Hero raises to $10, 5 callers (callers have stacks ranging from $200-600+)

Flop (~$50) Kh10h8h

BB (Hero) = leads out for $30
Next to Act = raises $95
Everyone else folds...

Hero folds. After the session (1-2 hours later) I asked V what he had and he stated two pair. Was he lying, how badly did I play that. Obviously I should never play OOP with that hand, but I got lucky and still didnt continue.

Flop play is also either shove or fold? Never want to call there right?
08-05-2019 , 10:48 AM
The pot when it gets to you is $18 and you raise to $10 from the BB with a trash suited 3 gapper and you'll be OOP for the rest of the hand?

How long have you been playing?
08-05-2019 , 10:48 AM
Preflop is awful. You have 6 high out of position. Further, if you want to bluff pre, you need to raise large enough to make people fold.
08-05-2019 , 11:04 AM
If you're going to fold a flush for under 100bb, then don't play suited trash. You got the best possible outcome
08-05-2019 , 11:09 AM
I have been playing semi-reg the past 10 years. Mainly played low limit LE and O8 in the NH card rooms.

I work as a teacher the past two summers I have played much more frequently. Last summer I played at the NH rooms 22 times, and for a total of 80ish hours and was up $3.5k by the end of the summer.

This summer I have gone to Encore/Chasers 18 times, for a total of 58.5 hours and am currently down $415 total.

I also understand that the Preflop play is terrible and not even first time players will make that mistake. My real thoughts are to the flop action. The fold was just as bad?
08-05-2019 , 11:24 AM
I'd rather you raise to like $50 then $10. At least you have a chance in taking down the blinds. I do this little tickle raise PF occasionally, usually with a PP and looking to build the pot just in case i flop the set. But I'm usually 250BB+ when I do that.

If you had 5 callers, the pot preflop is $60, not $50. And when you get raised, under no circumstances are you folding this hand anymore on the flop. You just have to go with it. Calling is fine, can make sure a heart doesn't come out and then rip it in.
08-05-2019 , 01:12 PM
Yeah this sucks.
As someone who has played a ton of 1/3 at Encore, that raise size pre is sooooo bad. No one is folding. So then you hit and bet fold? No. Just no.
If you’re going to try to BLUFF pre, which I don’t recommend doing oop, then 35 or 40 and even then you might get a call. Just check.
Flop is all in. The advantage you have by raising pre is that no one will think you have a flush. Don’t do it again but shove this flop.

I’ve played a lot at Encore 1/3. It’s so hard to have a losing session. Out of 14, I’ve had 3. 11 multiple buyin wins. I could be running hot and you could be running like **** but this hand illustrates bad play so I would step back and take a hard look at your game
08-05-2019 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Perrone66
I have been playing semi-reg the past 10 years. Mainly played low limit LE and O8 in the NH card rooms.

I work as a teacher the past two summers I have played much more frequently. Last summer I played at the NH rooms 22 times, and for a total of 80ish hours and was up $3.5k by the end of the summer.

This summer I have gone to Encore/Chasers 18 times, for a total of 58.5 hours and am currently down $415 total.

I also understand that the Preflop play is terrible and not even first time players will make that mistake. My real thoughts are to the flop action. The fold was just as bad?
If you understand that pre-flop is terrible then why did you do it? This is a major leak in your game. Folding after flopping a flush is worse at this stack depth.

Off the top of my head, you have about a 1.7% chance of flopping a flush with 2 sooooted cards. And about a 7.5% chance of making a flush if you make it to the river.

As played the odds of V also flopping a flush are way less than 1.7% since we hold 2 flush cards. Folding is horrible. V probably held AhX and knew you couldn't stand the heat.

And a 138 hours of recent live poker tells you little to nothing about your win rate.
08-05-2019 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CowboyCold
The pot when it gets to you is $18 and you raise to $10 from the BB with a trash suited 3 gapper and you'll be OOP for the rest of the hand?

How long have you been playing?
Quote:
Originally Posted by CowboyCold
If you understand that pre-flop is terrible then why did you do it? This is a major leak in your game. Folding after flopping a flush is worse at this stack depth.

Off the top of my head, you have about a 1.7% chance of flopping a flush with 2 sooooted cards. And about a 7.5% chance of making a flush if you make it to the river.

As played the odds of V also flopping a flush are way less than 1.7% since we hold 2 flush cards. Folding is horrible. V probably held AhX and knew you couldn't stand the heat.

And a 138 hours of recent live poker tells you little to nothing about your win rate.
Cowboy wins the thread. Nothing to add. Horrible pre, and much worse on the flop. I'm not sure how you managed such a high win rate if you can make two mistakes of this magnitude in the same hand. The good news is you're trying to improve. I don't think V was lying to you. I think he raised 2 pair or a pair and flush draw type hand for value and got a better hand to fold.
08-05-2019 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
Preflop is awful. You have 6 high out of position.
he had a suited 3 gapper just to be technical

However it's still a check pre and with the effective stacks, the flop should have been a jam over the raise.
08-05-2019 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Perrone66
Been on the forums for a few years now. Decided to jump in and get some advice on some recent hands played
Daf?ck did you learn lurking the forums for a few years with your lolpreflop raise oop with trashsuited

You can lead a donk to the forums but you can’t make a donk drink
08-05-2019 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 3xMassGainer
Daf?ck did you learn lurking the forums for a few years with your lolpreflop raise oop with trashsuited



You can lead a donk to the forums but you can’t make a donk drink
Yeah OP was so bad I'm pretty convinced at this point that it's a troll.
08-05-2019 , 09:02 PM
Two words: camp counselor.
08-05-2019 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BiiiiigChips
Yeah OP was so bad I'm pretty convinced at this point that it's a troll.
^This.

Really hoping this is a troll post. This was really really bad.
08-05-2019 , 11:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perrone66
I work as a teacher
Don't quit your day job.... JK. Preflop is atrocious. Flop??? Is this really your biggest leak. It's like stealing a car and thinking your biggest problem is not putting enough gas in it.
08-05-2019 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinzFTW
Really hoping this is a troll post. This was really really bad.
Naw you see this kind of play all the time non stop 24/7 dumb h0eing at the $40/$60 max buyins

Then these low rent halftard mammals move up where they will respect their raises

Anyways, how are you a teacher yet don’t learn for yourself after reading the forums for several years isn’t reading comprehension a curriculum in your field of profession
08-06-2019 , 01:36 PM
Preflop is just WTF terrible, imo. Just check here 99.9% of the time and see a flop. If you must get out-of-line for some reason every once and a blue moon, then raise to an amount that actually has a chance at taking down the dead money and after 5 limpers that's going to take a lot (I wouldn't go less than $30).

SPR is 5 and we don't want to see an action / hand killer. Thanks to preflop, we're committed. So I'd either (a) overbet the flop to $65 to setup a PSB turn jam or (b) sneaky check the flop to check/raise (perhaps even shove). Not a fan of the smaller bet at this SPR since it will leave awkward stacks for the turn/river (unless we get raised).

As played, I jam. For better or worse (worse, imo) we committed ourselves preflop, so lie in the bed we made, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG
08-06-2019 , 05:15 PM
If this isn’t a troll then I’m out of touch. Everyone else gets off with a “if you dont have anything nice to say then dont say it all.”
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