V is loose in HJ with 600 eff.
He has raised trash at least twice prior.

Hero is Button with 600 eff.
Hero is tight and hasn't been seen raising much by V.

Folds to V in HJ who bets 16.
Folds to Hero on Button who raises to 45 with Kc-Qc.

Folds to V who calls 45.

Flop (96) 8s-5s-3d.
V checks.
Hero bets 80.

V calls 80.

Turn (256) Jh.
V checks.
Hero bets 150.
V calls 150.

River (556) 9c.

V checks.
Hero all in for 325.

The question isn't how loose he is pre-flop, but how sticky he is post. If you've seen him call down light, then this is spewtastic. OTOH, if you've seen him call two streets with a pair plus FD and then fold river and show a weak TP when the flush-draw bricks, it can be fine.

I don't like it. Do you need to bet the turn here? Your tight V is loose. Who's range does this board hit. Imo no need to bluff off your stack.

Thank you for your analysis.

Is it better to assume sticky postflop until proven otherwise?

In LLSNL, it is generally best to assume sticky for basically all villains until proven otherwise. For a maniac, especially so. If they raise with trash and call 3-bets light, you can generally assumed that if they call OTF they're not folding anywhere unless the board texture changes considerably.

Against a loose player I'd check the flop. It hit his range a lot harder than yours and you don't have any backdoor draws. Loose player don't usually play fit or fold so I'd give up and hope to bink a pair.

Probably need to know more about V's post flop tendencies to advise here.

As a general rule, I am c-betting much less on the flop though, especially if you 3-bet with any regularity. I would usually go about 1/2 pot on the c-bet. 45-50. It accomplishes the same thing.

I agree with Garrick, the real question is "what are their post flop tendencies?"

loose players tend to call down post flop if they hit "anything". In spots like this, they will read you for "AK" because that is the only hand in the entire universe you would ever raise with preflop, so they read you for AK and exactly AK and call you down with any value hand as long as no Ace or King is on the board.

The above is most loose fish.

The key to a triple barrel line like this is targeting players that have demonstrated that they DO NOT think like the above and can read you for a strong made hand and fold accordingly. Imo, about 25% of the LLSNL player pool has this ability (as long as you have a strong image). The remaining pool of players are calling you down after they call that flop bet.

FWIW, I completely removed the triple barrel line from my game at 1/2nl, 1/3nl, and 2/5nl levels. Once they call a big turn bet and have 50% or more of their money in the pot, they simply are never folding river unless a big scare card hits. And hell, even when the big scare card hits they still aren't folding enough for triple barrel bluffs to be profitable.

Had a funny hand that illustrates my point last week in the 1/3nl game.

V has AJ in MP
Hero has A9 in the BB, 5 way limp fest, I check my option

Flop(18) J 7 3
chks to V, V bets $15, 1 caller, I call

Turn(63) 8
I chk, V bets $45, folds, I call

River(153) 2
I lead out $80, V slams his fist on the table and calls
I show the A9
he says, "I knew you hit that stupid diamond" and then he shows the AJs

I keep these sorts of hands firm in my mind when I'm thinking about triple barrel bluffing in LLSNL. Unless you are targeting players who have DEMONSTRATED that they can think at Level 2 and have folded when they read someone for a bigger hand, you are lighting money on fire.

^ that x100

At this level, you are often getting called when V knows he is beat just bc they cant fold a top pair

Good point dgi. It's not profitable 2 or 3 barreling at these limits. I was thinking the same thing yesterday. Between the non thinking players just going with a Weak pair and the over thinking players calling with a weak pair i leak money when I bluff.

Thanks guys.
Great points.

V turned over Qs 3s.

He said I put you on AK.

poor flop to cbet, no?

turn isn't the best barrel card either (it's ok at best.)

just check behind OTR (K high might be good and it don't appear like villain is folding.)

good---------------------------------------x------------bad
it was this bad

it could have been worse, but why did you do it?