Hero 250 30s white guy playing tight and hasn't sh9wn any hands yet just bet and taken it down up 50

V1 200 spot at the table calling off light on the river to small bets. Plays around 40 percent of hands.

V2 150 old man that folded AA earlier when the straight came in. He bet and got raised then that person got retained. Plays like a tight weak player

V3 88 tight player hasn't raised much in 2 hours. Old man coffee ish but not extreme old man coffee

V4 150 same as v1

OTTH
V1 and v2 limp for $2
Hero in co limps with JT off
V3 button raises to 8
V4 calls out of the BB
V1 and v2 call
Hero completes (is a 3 here crazy? Looking back I probably get all folds)

Flop comes 269 rainbow (40ish)
Everyone checks

Turn Q completes rainbow (40ish)
V4 check
V1 bets 10
V2 calls 10
Hero raises to 50 (is this ok? How bad is this raise?)
V3 calls with 25 behind
Everyone folds

fold pre

don't raise a tight player who raised pre, is the short stack, and you have a draw and no fold equity

all in all pretty terrible hand.

He's a tight player which means he's folding all hands that aren't top pair. I thought I had at least %50 fold equity.

By tight I mean playing around %20

Thanks for you comment

I'm ok with pre

turn I fold

A river J or 10 prob no good
so you got 8 outs against a tight short stack yet to act

Interesting, I can't fold a nut draw getting 6 to 1. With plenty of money behind.

what? your opponent had 44bb to start the hand. This would be marginal if you were 150bb+ effective. He's never folding an overpair or even top pair.

PFR is behind hero and checked the flop and has yet to act when he raised

I should add that he wouldn't open to $8 with JJ+
Normal open is around 12 plus dead money

Don’t over limo the CO with garbage. This hand is why.

Any argument to raising from the cutoff to isolate bad players or are you advocating a fold here? I kinda like raise>fold>call. I could consider talking myself into an over limp pre here if the 3 players behind us are passive and we expect to see a cheap flop very often

Thank you everyone for the comments

I agree with the statement but what can I overlimp with?
I would currently overlimp the co with
1. Pocket pair 99 and below
2. Suited connectors 45+ up to 9T
3. Suited gappers 46+ up to TQ
4. Ax suited up to 9 sometimes raise A2-A-5
5. Kx suited sometimes
6. Offsuit connected TJ, JQ, KJ


If I have an aggressive player left to act I only limp if I can call a raise
10x for pocket pairs
20x for suited connectors
30x for suited gappers

What hands could I add/take away to this range?
What hands should I just bet with?

Nothing. Raise or fold. Save your over limp junk for the BTN.

There is hand after hand posted on here identical to this one where player limps the CO, the BTN raises, they call and then end up in awkward spots postflop.

raise pre if you have fold equity with a confident, winning image

fold pre if you have a losing image and therefore no confidence/ fold equity.

if you have a good table image, ditch Kx suited and raise everything else

You should certainly be overlimping this exact hand (JTo). A good rule of thumb would be to overlimp the bottom of your open raising range from the same position.

sure you can its easy
put the two cards together face down in one hand and pitch them toward
the dealer

you might have plenty $$$$ behind
but V doesn't
so any odds you think you have just vanished

This is a good reason to fold pre. If we cant At least call the turn we shouldn't be calling pre

Folding turn is beyond ridiculous. We’re getting better than direct odds to draw to the nuts and the only person behind us hasn’t shown any interest. Raising or calling are both fine on the turn. I think I prefer a raise to this weak sizing and expect three folds most of the time.

Unless the BU and/or blinds are very aggressive, I'm not opposed to overlimping JTo in the CO.

you need to reread OP's post

only person behind is OMC and pre-flop raiser and short stacked

I read it just fine. There’s still no indication that he’s going to raise the turn.

Tell me how often you think villain raises the turn and how often he calls/folds?

I must be reading a different post

Hero raised the turn which we hope will chase out the V1 and V2 stacks?

V3 has yet to act and only has $80 left
he was the pre-flop raiser

so pot at $60ish + v3's $80 = 140$$$
so were risking $80 to win $140 based on 8 outs

if you are saying call turn for $10 and pray V3 doesn't raise that's one thing
but you got a bet and call in front of you and the preflop aggressor yet to act

your raise is burning $$$$ as V3 going is nowhere

grunch
limp pre fine
complete pre fine closing action, with position over most of the field
flop fine
turn is usually a call, but raising to 50 here is kooky and i like it. however, i like a size of 35 more (as it makes the river jam larger), PROVIDED you jam all rivers and have a V capable of folding KQ-KJ. if V isn't capable of folding those hands, then don't bother.
river is w/e - if you call turn, then jam straight rivers and c/f everything else. if you raised turn, jam river.

don't be afraid to mix it up a little in cash games PROVIDED opponents are capable of folding TPGK. if they aren't capable of making such folds, then hit your hands and force yourself to bet large and often for value - especially thin value on rivers where you believe they are being stubborn.

hope that helps, and wd for mixing it up a bit if you did indeed find an opponent that would normally fold KQ in this spot (ott or otr).