$2/5
$100-300

Stacks'n'Reads
Hero is SB with $300
MP2 is older Asian dude $400

Preflop
Hero has Kc Ks

Folds to MP2 who raises to $40, folds to button who knows MP2 and says "easy fold" and folds.

Hero tanks and calls (the way button talked, you knew MP2 only raised with premiums)

Flop: Qd Jd 4s
Pot: $80

Hero checks, MP2 bets $45 and looks at the queen, Hero tanks and calls.

This is one of the worst flops I could see, but I felt like maybe he could have AQ

Turn: Tc
Pot: $170

Hero checks, MP2 bets $50, Hero calls

The odds seemed right for the oesd.

River: 4c
Pot: $270

Hero checks...

Dude, you have 60 big bets at the start of the hand. Reraise preflop and if he shoves be happy to get it all in. You're not deep and you've got KK. This hand is offensive to me!

If you really put stock in the "easy fold" comment, then your hand is an easy fold on the turn.

The flop does indeed suck but I probably call to see if I smash a king or hope he slows down.

On the turn it looks like he is just value betting and indeed you ONLY beat AQ in his premium range... AK and TT just got there. He is probably going to shove river and even though you said odds are good for the straight draw, I bet there are some rivers where you change your mind and call another $50 or even call a shove putting him on AQ again. You also need him to pay off at least $50 on the river when you hit your straight, but that might not be so easy.

Edit: $100-300 seems like a crazily small buyin range for $2-5. My local $1-2 game is $100-400.

+1

lol at flatting with KK OOP preflop with 60bb.
Just.....puke.

3 betting and getting stacks in seems super standard. Don't over think the table talk. As a default when you will be OOP 3 bet with your premium hands.

+1000000

I think the flat pf might be good depending on the reasons behind it. OP, can you explain?

I think the turn is really close. We are probably getting the effective odds to call, but I´m not sure if we are in a RIO or an IO situation OTR? Does this small bet from V make AK more or less likely? If he has a set and we make a straight OTT are we getting paid?

Not a chance. OP is OOP. If you want to get tricky (which I'm not a fan of anyway), then at least do it in position. $120 pre and get the money in. If V has AA, then it's cold deck.

There's a certain set of guys at this casino known for making these preflop bets with only AK, AA, & KK (and maybe QQ). I unfortunately do not know who all of them are, but I trust Button's "easy fold" comment because I've played with him before and he knows everyone in the room. I didn't run through the combos in my head, but my thinking was that it was basically 50/50 with his range, so calling and seeing his action on the flop would be better.

I think my logic for flatting is messed up though. If I only flat, then I am pretty much playing KK for set value because unless I bet out on the flop, he's going to check turns he misses (most likely, he had only played one other hand since I sat down) and that gives him a chance to catch an A or Q (or complete a draw) if he isn't already ahead. If I lead and he has AA and the board is dry, then I am putting stacks in as an even bigger dog than getting them in preflop. The only time flatting saves me money is if the board comes A high and I don't think he will bluff at it with either KK or QQ.

If I instead 3! to $100 and he raises, then he either has AA, AK, or KK. If he calls, then he has AK or QQ. Either way the hand is much easier to play because his range will be very limited.

If the bolded is true this is even more of a reason to raise pre unless you have a read that he won't stack off with TT+

Meh. I was thinking this sizing might mean V is very TT-QQ heavy. If he might fold to a 3!, flatting might be ok given we can still GII with these stacks. I know I get owned when people flat me with Kings and Aces pf. I take your point about being OOP though.

The only reason not to raise pre is if V is ultra tight and folds everything worse than KK.

Raise, GII.

Id shove flop erry day.

If Vs range is as tight as TT+ /AK then you are behind now, so probably fold. I would never range V as confidently as you do though. You dont give us any reads so I dont see how you can be so confident.

3-bet preflop for value its way better then a flat & we get more information then just cold calling preflop we keep his range wider by doing the latter, now it get's hard to play OOP (to extract value mainly) given you will be x-calling on boards like this (draw heavy as well) and some Axx or boards that are good for the PFR.

Line is pretty good so far, i would be concerned if he fired a triple barrel how often does he value bet w/worse OTR and does villain bluff rivers given his tendencies only thing you beat to a triple barrel here is AQ and some bluffs. If he empties it sucks really... but 3-betting pre wouldn't have got you in this spot where KK/an overpair is now a bluff catcher...

Yeah GII preflop isn't bad we are 60bb deep preflop w/KK it isn't as bad as you think even vs. a tight villain.

Maybe the button said "easy fold" because he had 99 and had no odds to set mine? Or because he had AJ?

Even if we could put him on AK, KK+, 50% of QQ, we're a favorite. If we give him all of the Queens being able to get away from our hand if an ace flops isn't much of an advantage because we let QQ off the hook (8 combos of AK pf, 6 QQ). I guess what we gain from getting away from an AK when an ace flops is more than offset by the value we are missing if he will GII pf. IP he can take free cards and realize more of his equity. A typical old guy is unlikely to spew away his stack with AK UI. Also I think at least some small % of the time he shows up with TT,JJ,AQs??? From some old nitty players in my pool, huge opens like this are usually TT/JJ. Just play KK like the nuts with these stacks IMO.

I'm going to experiment with more flatting pf with big pairs vs TAG/LAG's with short stacks.

I do that now and then and it works like a charm. Just make sure when you do it, it will be heads up or at the most 3 to the flop. Im sure you know this already but it can be a disaster if 5 people end up seeing the flop because you didnt reraise and some of them are deep.

Pre-flop, determine whether villain has AA. In case of doubt whether villain has AA, get the chips in.