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Old 09-05-2016, 07:31 PM   #1
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Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

I'm in MP.

UTG limps, I raise to 15, one caller, SB 3bets 45, UTG shoves for 80

Fold, call, shove?
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Old 09-05-2016, 07:59 PM   #2
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

You only have $15 invested and UTG limp/4-bets. Fold.


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Old 09-05-2016, 08:02 PM   #3
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

Fold readless. With relevant reads, stack sizes would be useful. Since we don't know anything at all apparently, OK let's fold.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:08 PM   #4
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

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Fold readless. With relevant reads, stack sizes would be useful. Since we don't know anything at all apparently, OK let's fold.
Sorry, should have said it was like my 10th hand at table, no reads, I started hand with 200, everyone behind me had me covered.

I quickly folded, just wanted to see if that was the consensus.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:09 PM   #5
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

SB stacks effective?

Also read on SB?
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:11 PM   #6
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

SB had a massive stack
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:12 PM   #7
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

Fold 100bb deep
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:14 PM   #8
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Fold 100bb deep
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:14 PM   #9
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

Good fold imo
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:22 PM   #10
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

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Sorry, should have said it was like my 10th hand at table, no reads, I started hand with 200, everyone behind me had me covered.

I quickly folded, just wanted to see if that was the consensus.
We can put SB at JJ+/AK readless.

UTG only has 80 and my experience is that shorties can do the limp-shove thing pretty light so there are people I'd call off here for 40bb with TT but obviously not with SB also in. Once we're 100bb+ deep then I've only ever seen this to be AK/KK+ and usually KK+.

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Fact that it's a 4bet instead of a 3bet squeeze also weights it towards a more value move by UTG.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:45 PM   #11
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

If we were closing the action 200BB deep I'd seriously consider calling with TT because if you flop a T you may very well get SB's stack. As you aren't going to close the action I think I'd fold with just 15 invested.
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Old 09-05-2016, 09:01 PM   #12
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

Easy don't even think twice fold.
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Old 09-06-2016, 01:24 AM   #13
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

fold to the 3 bet

learn to write better hand histories
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Old 09-06-2016, 01:34 AM   #14
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Old 09-06-2016, 01:53 AM   #15
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

Turbomuck. With no reads assume a limp/jam is never, ever anything you beat.

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Old 09-06-2016, 02:04 AM   #16
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

Snap fold.
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Old 09-07-2016, 05:06 PM   #17
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Stop playing 1/1
Sorry, not 1/1, it was 100 BB, $200 dollars, just a dumb moment
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Old 09-07-2016, 05:49 PM   #18
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If we were closing the action 200BB deep I'd seriously consider calling with TT because if you flop a T you may very well get SB's stack. As you aren't going to close the action I think I'd fold with just 15 invested.
32.5 more BB @ 7.5:1 to get 200BB?

Can't tell if serious.
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Old 09-07-2016, 06:22 PM   #19
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

Lurk a little before posting hands. See what type of info is typically provided
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Old 09-07-2016, 08:12 PM   #20
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Re: Holding TT to a preflop 4bet

Snapping off utg would be trivial, but it's a fold due to the sb. At least you'll get some info.
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