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09-05-2016 , 07:31 PM

westwd

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I'm in MP.

UTG limps, I raise to 15, one caller, SB 3bets 45, UTG shoves for 80

Fold, call, shove?

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09-05-2016 , 07:59 PM

KKingDavid

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You only have $15 invested and UTG limp/4-bets. Fold.

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09-05-2016 , 08:02 PM

WereBeer

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Fold readless. With relevant reads, stack sizes would be useful. Since we don't know anything at all apparently, OK let's fold.

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09-05-2016 , 08:08 PM

westwd

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Originally Posted by WereBeer

Fold readless. With relevant reads, stack sizes would be useful. Since we don't know anything at all apparently, OK let's fold.

Sorry, should have said it was like my 10th hand at table, no reads, I started hand with 200, everyone behind me had me covered.

I quickly folded, just wanted to see if that was the consensus.

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09-05-2016 , 08:09 PM

Lapidator

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SB stacks effective?

Also read on SB?

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09-05-2016 , 08:11 PM

westwd

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SB had a massive stack

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09-05-2016 , 08:12 PM

Lapidator

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Fold 100bb deep

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09-05-2016 , 08:14 PM

westwd

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Originally Posted by Lapidator

Fold 100bb deep

200

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09-05-2016 , 08:14 PM

TEKEE

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Good fold imo

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09-05-2016 , 08:22 PM

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WereBeer

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Originally Posted by westwd

Sorry, should have said it was like my 10th hand at table, no reads, I started hand with 200, everyone behind me had me covered.

I quickly folded, just wanted to see if that was the consensus.

We can put SB at JJ+/AK readless.

UTG only has 80 and my experience is that shorties can do the limp-shove thing pretty light so there are people I'd call off here for 40bb with TT but obviously not with SB also in. Once we're 100bb+ deep then I've only ever seen this to be AK/KK+ and usually KK+.

EDIT

Fact that it's a 4bet instead of a 3bet squeeze also weights it towards a more value move by UTG.

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09-05-2016 , 08:45 PM

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NebDanger

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If we were closing the action 200BB deep I'd seriously consider calling with TT because if you flop a T you may very well get SB's stack. As you aren't going to close the action I think I'd fold with just 15 invested.

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09-05-2016 , 09:01 PM

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spikeraw22

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Easy don't even think twice fold.

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09-06-2016 , 01:24 AM

#13

feel wrath

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fold to the 3 bet

learn to write better hand histories

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09-06-2016 , 01:34 AM

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Lapidator

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Originally Posted by westwd

200

Stop playing 1/1

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09-06-2016 , 01:53 AM

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Aleksei

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Turbomuck. With no reads assume a limp/jam is never, ever anything you beat.

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09-06-2016 , 02:04 AM

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BackDoorFlush

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Snap fold.

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09-07-2016 , 05:06 PM

#17

westwd

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Originally Posted by Lapidator

Stop playing 1/1

Sorry, not 1/1, it was 100 BB, $200 dollars, just a dumb moment

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09-07-2016 , 05:49 PM

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HawkesDave

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Originally Posted by NebDanger

32.5 more BB @ 7.5:1 to get 200BB?

Can't tell if serious.

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09-07-2016 , 06:22 PM

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scrybe

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Lurk a little before posting hands. See what type of info is typically provided

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09-07-2016 , 08:12 PM

#20

suited fours

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Snapping off utg would be trivial, but it's a fold due to the sb. At least you'll get some info.

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