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06-02-2015 , 05:07 PM
$1/2

Villian is middle aged brown guy. Playing most of his hands. I don't really know much about him. Bought in for just $100

Villian 2 is a stationy old lady who writes down the action in every hand on napkins. Is on like hand 495, so she has been here for 18 hours or something. Frequently I can see her cards when she looks at them. I told her before but she keeps doing it.

Hero is seen as tight, winning.

Hero has AJ

Villian 1 ($200) open limps CO, Villian 2 ($500)calls, hero raises to $15 from SB, Villian 1 calls, Villain 2 folds (sigh.)

flop ($34) KT2

Hero bets $20, villain calls.

turn ($74) 3

Hero checks, villain tanks for 10 sec and checks.

river: T

Hero checks, Villian quickly bets $30, hero?
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06-02-2015 , 05:38 PM
I don't love preflop oop with an ok hand. River depends on reads really, everything missed, he has way more combos of things that missed than things that didn't, but I don't think you're printing money calling... Marginal spot and im folding without a read. This is why pre is awkward, even a mouth breather can own you IP unless you hit.
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06-02-2015 , 06:02 PM
PF is spewy. Our hand isn't strong enough to raise from the SB.

As for the river... I wouldn't really blame you for calling... I don't think he has Kx very often, so it's Tx or a bluff. Given that it's pretty hard to have a ten, I think we can make an argument for calling. He only has to be bluffing like 25% of the time to make it a profitable call.
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06-02-2015 , 10:12 PM
Yeah. Playing out of position sucks especially without fold equity. What should my opening range be here? When should I be barrelling the turn here?
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06-02-2015 , 10:25 PM
Aj is a great hand to check from the blinds, as you dominate all the villains limped aces, and are somewhat confident they don't have aq+ as they haven't raised themselves. If anything raising pushes those dominated aces out, when you really want them in to call you down when u both make top pair.

I'll let someone more qualified answer your other qs as I'm pretty new to full ring myself.
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06-03-2015 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
Yeah. Playing out of position sucks especially without fold equity. What should my opening range be here? When should I be barrelling the turn here?
AQ+, TT+

I'd just complete the SB with hands like 99 and AJo
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06-03-2015 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
Yeah. Playing out of position sucks especially without fold equity. What should my opening range be here? When should I be barrelling the turn here?
Your opening range here depends on the table and it certainly can include AJ at some tables. Are you really expecting to be behind in a limpfest?

1) You raised a decent amount, not to $9 ... good.
2) You are HU against a player with a wide range ... good

3) Your c-bet is too weak and prices in EVERYTHING at a 1-2 table ... bad ... You should be acting like you have AK here and want to protect against flushes and straights. I would also be expecting a call and not really putting too much into that call against a player with a high VPIP. 'Only' increasing your bet from $15 to $20 here is weak based on your image. Tight and winning players don't price in other players. They charge a premium when they 'know' they are ahead.

4) Good read on Turn ... pause check ... could mean anything from Tx to draws that he wants to semi-bluff but for whatever reason he passes. More than likely this is respect for your game and he knows that any card in the neighborhood of the board will help you more than him. Perhaps he also knows you will call here most times? And doesn't want to bloat a pot with a weakish holding.

4A) What changed on the Turn (a 3c ... really)? ... bet it!! You have the image and now there is a 2nd flush draw out there to 'protect' against. Great card to double barrel into. I don't feel that V's call of c-bet (especially one that size) told us anything and thus needs to be followed up 'most' of the time.

5) Although fairly cheap to call, you again picked up on a 'change' from V .. betting quickly. And I am folding out here AP. This screams T9/JT ... never Kx, unless like K9/K8 ... and you really aren't in a position to c/r him off 'this' particular River IMO. You have zero credit once you check/check.

You can open AQ, but not AJ? That's a pretty fine line and if you feel you have the right image ... in a limped pot ... and open with strong bets ... that you should be able to handle it. Just follow through when the board offers you a nice 'target' (K) to fire against on the Flop, especially when the board is coordinated and a nice 'protection' bet can be placed.

1) It would be interesting to see if 2 smaller bets on Flop and Turn are more effective than a larger Flop bet followed by a c/f mindset. Certainly it costs less in 'real' chips to fire on the Flop only, but when you have a strong image it might make some sense in 'just keep betting' to take down more pots.

2) The flip side is when you do c-bet and the board offers you a great reason to continue with your line .. take it. GL
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06-03-2015 , 08:50 PM
Great analysis. Appreciate it.

So you bang for $25-$30 into $34 (minus the drop). Now the pot is $90ish on the turn. You put him all-in for his last $65. If he has a couple hundred behind should we be betting more like 3/4 pot on the turn? Is this mostly game, villain dependant? I like double barrelling more against bigger stacks because I can get paid when the river improves me and I feel the leverage of potential river bet often gets opponents to fold.
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