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07-14-2010 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Which is why people stay in the micros, including myself. I'm working on getting far more situational, but it takes time to nail it down.

It would take less time if I ever ran neutral. I've long given up on running good.

For the OP in the short term, if you don't know where you are and what to do, bet or raise like you have the nuts. The villain will let you know quickly what to do next. Longer term, get better at determining ranges and you won't be in many positions where you don't know where you are or what to do.

I know that none of you guys so far were hating me for complex situational replies here, but i just got reamed a bit on another thread for doing just that. (Giving a reply which was conditional on a lot of factors, and the other fellow was reaming me for giving replies at level 5, when OP is level 1, so he said anyhow)

Situational adjustments is what makes poker truly a skill, otherwise it would be like studying the blackjack basic strategy and everyone would play close to perfect.
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07-14-2010 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Percula
Generally speaking if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and walks like a duck, its a duck even if you can not see the absolute proof that it is a duck. Some very small percentage of the time its not a duck, but it will sure be something that is very close to a duck, it will never be a horse.
In before Racist Ban/
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07-16-2010 , 02:07 AM
Very good thread, also this is hilarious

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Originally Posted by KaizenK
Hi Brad,

You might also want to check out Deucescracked.com's Deuces Play Podcast hosted by Bart Simpson. He's a very good live player(he plays 5-10 at commerce) and goes through lots of hands and interesting and tough situations that live players encounter.
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07-16-2010 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Percula
As an interesting (to me anyway) aside is that looking back on recent play, i.e. this year. I find that at low stakes I was almost never putting someone on a specific hand, just stopped thinking beyond a weighted range. But playing mid stakes without really thinking about it I have been putting opponents on much more specific hands, maybe not always a specific hand, but a very narrow range. I showed a lot better win rate at mid stakes so far this year than at low stakes...
It think the problem is that most people don't understand why to put people on ranges. It seems that people tend to start with some wide range, and then keep it when all the evidence suggests that the hands he could have are far fewer. Harrington does a good job of going through the analysis of narrowing a range in HOC.

Take a simple case of where you have a big pair in EP, get called by the BTN and on a T742r board it goes Cbet/call, bet/raise. Yes, the villain started off with a range of pocket pairs, SC, or some broadway. However, he's got TT, 77, 44 or 22 now. Leveling yourself by saying you still beat most of his initial range is bad.

I agree that by the river, you should have the villain on just a couple of hands or even one hand. One reason I don't get upset by IWTSTH.
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07-16-2010 , 07:25 PM
I second the Bart Hanson podcasts from DC, I have learned alot with his analysis and the guests he has.

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07-17-2010 , 03:37 PM
Thanks all for the replies so far.

First off - I agree my opening sounded a bit general, but the points made here have been well noted.

I play situational poker all the time, and the whole hand ranges thing really isn't part of my game. I have a good idea of whats going on in hands, but do it in ways slightly different than is described here.

In terms of my search for "automatic lines" to hands, was referring to Wa/Wb situations mainly, where I have a tendency to personally make bad decisions - this is not a good part of my game. I will check the Microstakes forum as was suggested.


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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
We stay at these stakes because we are trying to push edges and create FE when it just aint there. Focus more on the player. If you see passive guy pushing money into the pot RUN, dont go well he can have this, this, or this...no he has THAT!
Boom! Great last sentence there.

Pushing edges and FE - while not necessarily incorrect, pushin around calling station types isn't a great idea.


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Originally Posted by Percula
Welcome!

There is no magic formula or automatic plays. Every hand is unique, every player an individual.
Your right Percula, but this is a weak spot for me - certain times I get confused, and rather than continue to make bad decision in these spots, I would like to replace that with "here is what I should be doing abc-wise". At least until I get better in these situations.


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Originally Posted by ronery
I play at the same casino every day. It's a small place with the same regulars there everyday. I know some of them very well, and a lot of them are ridiculous nits, only shoving the nuts.

So, yeah, sometimes, it's not a question of a range, or this hand or that. It is THAT.

Against these people, I try to make plays. Sometimes with success, sometimes not. But I'm learning what makes a good spot, and what doesn't. Trial by fire it the only way to learn new types of playing styles.

Sometimes I'm playing against nits, and I have to mix it up some how. But other times, the table is so loose that $15 raises get called 4-5 ways. Against these tables, I just big-hand mine. This is the way it's been lately. I can just wait for JJ+ and sets, and get paid. No need to mix it up or play fancy.

Exactly, like the thinking here.
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07-17-2010 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Brad22
Your right Percula, but this is a weak spot for me - certain times I get confused, and rather than continue to make bad decision in these spots, I would like to replace that with "here is what I should be doing abc-wise". At least until I get better in these situations.
I understand where you are coming from, been there done that too.

The best way to approach it is from specific examples. Start posting hands where you find yourself in confusing situations and see what comes of it. With any luck we will be able to help you start to the find the course.
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