Hello Everyone,

I'd like to know what you think about this line.

Villain is a mediocre player that has a general sense of the game.

V (550$) on BTN makes 15$ (Std.Raise at this table)

H on SB (380$) (9dTd) calls 15$ (Hero has a TAG/good image at the table)
This hand is for mixing up, considering also BB is drunk guy CallingStation)

BB (700$) C 15$

FLOP 9cJc4d (45$)

H bets 25$, BB folds, V raise to 95$, H calls 95$

TURN 9cJc4d6s (235$)

H C, V bets 95$, H calls 95$

RIVER 9cJc4d6s2d (415$)

H C, V jams, H calls all-in

Let me know if you think this is a profitable call.

Cheers.

I don't think there is anything profitable about anything in this entire hand.

It was a bad call, pf. Mediocre players with just a sense of the game don't raise light pf, even on the button. If you thought he was raising light, you should have 3bet pf.

As played, he's telling you after calling a raise on the flop that he can beat TP and you can't beat that. He's not worried about you after you checked on the turn.

Congrats on winning the hand. Don't think unknowns will be this easy to play usually.

Thanks for the reply guys.
I obviously tanked call this spot.

I donkbet flop everything that hits on this spot, from the sets to the pure semibluffs. Generally, I think that this action causes BTN to sense pure weakness, and ofc I level that. (People often do mistakes on these donkbet spots).
The big question mark I had was the bet (45%) on the TURN. Does Villain JJ+/AcQc/AcKc/QJ/KJ/TJ/T8 chooses this particular size? (With a Reg Guy, i recognize this bet to shove any river).

Your donkbet range are sets. So 99 and 44? I'm assuming you 3 bet JJ from SB vs Button.

Ok so you have 2 sets, a ton of clubs, bottom pairs, 2nd pairs, top pairs, oesd.

Do you see the problem with this? So when you check that leaves you where?

Not only is your leading range super weighted to weak made hands and draws, your checking range is complete air.

Even worse now you're calling raises with bad 2nd pairs and stacking off with them.

This is one of those a broke clock is right twice a day hands.

3-bet pre is standard, but calling is better with a drunk fish in BB.

Not sure why you're donking flop. This flop doesn't favor your range and your hand isn't terribly disappointed seeing flop check through. Getting raised sucks.

This might theoretically be a defend, but live raising ranges are imbalanced enough to just fold this. Definitely fold turn. This is probably one of your worst combos that get to the turn.

This is bad throughout.

SCs play badly OOP. Fold pre.

As played post, I'm really not sure what on earth you're doing on any street here. Perhaps you have some read he's bluffing that you're not telling us? I think you're way over thinking turn size bet being small.

Grunch.

I think this is 3bet or fold out of the small blind facing a raise. You want fold equity with this hand or ridiculous implied odds with position to realize them.

You have second pair and two backdoors, I don't hate a lead but I think check raise might get more money in the pot and get more folds as it scares the TAGfish. Calling a raise with second pair and no big front door draw is pretty bad.

Rest of hand is straight spew, villain has top pair good kicker or better. "Mediocre" players that don't know the game much and are uncreative don't raise flops and fire both big streets with trash.

wtf are you doing on the flop. Leading and calling the raise are both very bad. I would 3bet PF. Given you're line, it's really only you who can know whether he can fire the 3rd barrel here.

Yeah, that's actually true. I definitely started overthinking TURN, with cats playing piano rolling on my mind.
I don't care very much about considerations PF here, because i have a solid game and this hand was for mixing up and getting a POT with the drunk guy on the BB.
But guys, what do you realistically perceive V's range is here? How many combos do we considerably beat or lose on the river shove?

Thanks for the reply.

Donking the flop is for the same consideration. I prefer this line to target drunk fish (type of guy who floats, calls PBets with 3rd pair).
But yeah, the sizing on TURN by V looked to me fishy. These are kind of mediocre players who have standard sizes and do not get fancy with that.
Consider that if he bets 60-65% POT, I muck my hand. If the size V used in this SPOT, comes from a good player, I muck my hand.
It this SPOT would have been online, i 3b always preflop...If cats know how to play piano, i definitely buy one for them.

Its not an awful spot to bluff-catch given accompanying reads. But leading flop and calling a raise? Are both fairly questionable.

Agree villain sizing on turns looks a little questionable, but its hard to read too much into it.

Yes, this confirms I have to work on some overthinking in some spots.
But I always try to get those details that make not much sense.
I TankCall River. My opponent mucks the hand, and I win it. Was not thrilled about it, got a lot of thoughts during the hand, got more after winning the pot.

Flop play says otherwise.

fyp

If we call and go HU OOP to the raiser, preflop is really meh. If we expect BB to come along and punt chips off in position on us, it's less meh, but still pretty meh. I fold preflop.

If we think Button has a wide raising range in this spot preflop then I don't hate our donk (although I might bet slightly less). Ok chance our hand is best and we're simply protecting our equity and going for value against the drunk guy. I'm snap folding to the raise. We have an extremely mediocre hand with little chance of improving, things aren't going to get any easier on later streets (we're expecting this guy who has shown nothing but strength to slow down?), we're OOP, etc. Preflop becomes even worse if we feel we must continue postflop in these spots, imo.

Turn is just compounding the problem. We're bleeding money all over the place, imo.

The river is a different situation in that most players are extremely polarized here, so this is mostly just a monster like JJ versus an airball. But most people also don't 5barrel air (and even something like AKcc might just check back with it's showdown value), so you're mostly looking at monsters. If you ran into the rare airball in this case, you simply got very lucky, imo.

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3b or fold pre.

Flop donk is very bad, as is calling the raise. His raising range facing a flop donk is likely very strong and has you crushed or has significant equity.

Turn is a fold, as is the river.

You'll likely get better feedback on the river call if you provide the range you think he gets there with. Once you do that, you can not only actually calculate whether it's a profitable call given your assumptions but you'll also get feedback on whether people think your range assumptions are correct.

Also, you likely don't have the image you think you do if you're flatting BTN opens from the SB.