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Originally Posted by javi
I certainly have a higher winrate at tables that do not include a maniac, since the maniac forces me to only play vs him and none of the other fish at the table. I am much more profitable at a table where I can actually play pots with people more than once every 10 orbits because some guy is shoving every hand. The problem with a maniac at the table is everyone is going to make the same adjustment, so your stackoff range is going to run into people playing similar hands, i.e. you ship 99 on him and the SB calls with TT. Yes, whoever is patient or wakes up with QQ+ is going to beat him. Will they beat him for 200BB's or more? Or will they catch him on his way out the door for his last 40BB's. If the maniac is deep and still playing like a maniac then your incentive to just wait improves. I've sat for 4 hours waiting to stack a guy sitting 400BB's deep who kept playing as you describe. He even open shoved UTG with 23s once for $2000 in a 2/5 game (and beat my KK utg + 1). You can either sit there and hope you are that person or change tables. In hindsight I wish I would have changed tables. He didnt make anybody rich, all he did was make everyone deep by passing stacks around the table till the avg stack was 200BB's. He reloaded twice and finally left. If you look at your HEM's most profitable hands they are all straights, flushes, fullhouses, etc. Hands made from speculative preflop starting cards, the kind of cards you wont be able to play with a maniac at the table pushing you out preflop every hand.
Man, I don't want to be the jerk here, but are you trolling
Just about everything you said is wrong.
The notion that an incredibly bad player can sit down at a table and decrease your hourly is utter nonsense. If you are not absolutely printing money at $500/h+ with the kinds of players that persistently do things like open shove 23s UTG for 400BB you're doing it wrong. This is a dream spot that only comes once in awhile for a lot of people.
Most players DO NOT adjust well when playing with a maniac. They will open up their calling range against the maniac but still waaay overfold and won't generally adjust by playing back at the good player's relentless isolations/squeezes. Obviously you have to account for players left to act in a hand and can't just consider the maniac's range and play against that, but this doesn't mean you nit it up. Even if everyone adjusts perfectly then that 5 BI/h the maniac is dumping gets split up ten ways for massive profit for everyone.
If you are trolling here then gg, you got me.
If you are not trolling, I apologize for being harsh, but I just can't see a veteran poster thinking this way. I will gladly work out scenarios and support myself with math if you want.