So here is my issue. I don't seem to win when I play games where 5+ guys are seeing every flop. Please don't tell me that those are the best games to play because I never win in them. I mean how many times are u going to have the nuts and get paid? So basically my strength lies in getting pots heads up and 3 handed. I am trying to figure out if it's a good idea to be limo raising prwflio with hands like suites runners or suited ace type hands to get the people out of the pot. I will obv be out of position most times I get called, but u know how these games go. You raise 1 guy calls then the whole table calls. So any tips would be appreciated. Also if I make big enough raises and the entire table folds o would only win blinds or get trapped b.s. a monster hand. I do well in 6 max games online but can't see to use the same type of strategy live. Thank you

If nobody folds play very strong linear ranges, don’t bluff and use large sizings for value. Don’t iso weak hands as you will end up multiway in bloated pots with weak hands.


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6 max online and live 1/2 are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT games. Can't say that loud enough. Using the same strategy for both is a recipe for disaster.

Yes They are.

Ty. But if they don't fold I still am not going to win much making 1 pair hands vs 5 guys unless I am getting slapped with deck and they can't fold 2nd best hands. It's like the game is all luck if 6 people see a flop

Raise big pre. Open 8-12% depending on how comfortable you are with postflop play. Based on your initial post it seems like not very, so I’d lean closer to 8%.
When you connect or have the blockers to do so, continue with your whole range and stop worrying about your actual holdings and bet what your range implies you have not your literal two cards. You’d be surprised how often people fold when you are putting them in tough spots with marginal top pair hands.

I am pretty comfortable post flop vs 1 or 2 players. Not vs 5

Change tables if you can.


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Thank you its a home game. 1 table. If i am in a casino I will change.

See when I sat down the game was tight passive and I tripled up. Tight games seem best for me live. I can't seem to win in the loose games tho.

If you can’t get people out you’ll have to tighten up significantly postflop or get very good at ranging opponents throughout the hand or you’ll lose long term. Even AA has low equity 5 ways.

That is the problem. I can put them on hands all day but if 5 people chase to river I am still going to lose alot. I am looking for a way to make it 3 handed prelfop. In the situation even if they both chase to river I will still win more then lose most times. I know online is not the same as live but the reason I think I do well online is due to getting to most flops heads up or 3 handed. Just trying to See if I can duplicate it live. I prefer playing more pots and being active. I am not a guy who like a to gold for 2 hours. Maybe what I am trying to accomplish is impossible at low limit games. I am not sure

that's pretty easy to do in 6max.

Raise bigger, don't use 3x as a starting point. Start at 4 or 5x and add an x for every limper.

Get to know your opponents. Know who's sticky, tight, and who the calling stations are that will call you down with ace high and value the **** out of them.


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Thank you. None of that is my issue tho. The issue is when I raise to 5 or 6x I cmget 5 or 6 callers. This is the state of the game where I live. If i raise to 12x everyone folds and u win the blinds. There is no happy middle. Once In a while o fond a nice table where a normal raise will work, most time no such luck. Post flop I can play heads up or 3 handed fine, but not 6 handed so I am trying to narrow the field preflop and still get some action. As i said maybe it's impossible in low limit games

I will be the heretic and say limp more IP and see as many flops as you can (assuming you play well postflop and if not, then work on that part of your game). Remember that preflop is only 29% of the total hand to be seen so a lot can happen OTF and after.

Winning a lot of $ at live 1/2 is not mostly about raising or 3! big starting hands...your profit lies mostly in playing deceptive hands that flop big vs sticky players who dont know when to fold top pair.

shorn7 is on the right track.

In a game where nobody folds pre, there are probably a lot of limpers and small raises, and in turn, a lot of weak and wide ranges. However, you are not playing any of the individual range HU; you are playing multiple ranges and their draws. Think of it another way, you are effectively playing hold'em against a PLO player.

Position is the single most important element in this game, more so than starting hand strength. Ability to pay attention to players' tendencies and exploit them post flop is another key element.

Also keep in mind that most players play flop just as wide as pre, but on turn, it is very hard to keep playing garbage because bets get bigger and draws get weaker. Be a better player on turn and river, and that's where you can exploit these loose passive players.

Yes you and him see to have a differnt idea. Maybe this is the way to do it. But I guess it's strictly going to come down to hitting hands tho, with a few bluffs thrown in.

I once met my all time favorite poker legend.
And,I asked him, I know you're the best in the world, are you even remotely afraid of anything?
"I'm afraid of seeing a flop with 5 players."
DUde, who in the world likes seeing a flop with 5 players?

A guy who crushes weekend games with rec players.

Your poker legend probably hasn't played a LLSNL weekend game in years if ever. Wrong quote to apply to this game.

Raise as much as nessecary, in position, to pick up the dead money. Ideally, or at least an amount that will thin out the field,or,
Limp call more with connector type hands.

Raise with what range? Strong range requires actually being dealt strong hands.

Wider range? What if one of them calls? Rest are probably all calling. That's how this kind of game works. What do you do on a bloated flop when you miss with your wide range?

And how many times can you make this kind of raise with either strong or wide range? Strong range - few times, unless you're running really good. Wide range - probably once or twice before you realize that this isn't a profitable move.

Preflop play is not how you solve this scenario.

It's a home game so , even if the players are really bad, some will pay attention.
Raise with premium hands, limp with speculative hands but you also have to do reverse and limp with premium and raise with speculative once in a while.
If you raise big with, for example, AA, and still get 5 callers, you have to be willing to fold against a lot of action without improvement.
Do I have to spell everything out in exact details?

Yup. I LOVE flops with 5 players especially when I am OTB or CO and have a hand like 97. These kinds of hands are monster money makers in the right spots.

The key with big hands (AA, KK, AK) is to make sure you DON'T see a flop with 5 players. So raise more, 3! more, etc. But overall, I make way more profit from small pairs and suited connectors than any other type of hand at this level.

What exactly did you spell out though? You basically said to raise big with nuts and call with weak hands.

That's kind of obvious and from reading the OP, I think he already tried that and failed.

See I agree. I don't really want to build big pots with runners or medium type hands so I don't think preflop play is the answer. And how often will i get strong hands in position ?