I'd like to get some feedback on this hand. I played it at a locals casino in Vegas and want to know what you all think:

Villain is a really old man. Word around the casino is that he's 93, I think. But he is definitely NOT an OMC. He buys in for huge amounts and plays anywhere from kinda-LAG to TAG. I've seen him show down with great hands and then also show down with total trash. He's basically been playing poker his whole life and I always envision him playing 5-card stud as a 15 year-old, next to his illegal still in the backwoods of Louisiana - he just gives off that persona.

I was previously stuck in the game quite a bit, took some bad beats. But I worked my way back up and had just a little over $600 in front of me. Villain was not there for my swing, he just knows that I'm sitting there with a huge stack. Villain had previously lost one $200 buy in and had reloaded to about $600. So our effective stack sizes are very close to the $600 range.

I'm in the CO with AQ
Villian is UTG +1 and limps for $2
Folds to me, I make it $8
Folds to BB who calls and Villain also calls

$25 in pot
Flop comes A96

BB checks, Villain checks, I make it $20
BB folds, Villain snap calls

$65 in pot
Turn makes it A96T

Villain checks, I make it $65.
Villian doesn't exactly snap-shove, but goes all-in relatively quickly.
I ask for a count and its about $430 additional to my $65

What do you do?

Fold... too many 2 pair combos, 78, etc. Sure he might spaz with a combo draw or such, but I am not paying to find out.

(also, I did not click your spoiler... but if it is results, never post results in the hand)

Thank you - spoiler removed. I haven't posted many hands here, appreciate the heads up

Super duper fist pump snap fold. This is a very standard slightly ahead or way behind spot. Fold and live to see another day.

I want to be that guy in like 60 years.

No problem. Thanks for posting a well formatted hand with good reads

Results (even in spoiler) will skew replies a ridiculous amount.

When we make it $8 pre flop it is just not enough, even heads up at 1/2.

Makes even an old fart like me play ATC just to see the flop.

And with the BB in there already I am never folding anything worth limping UTG for only $6 more.

$12 or $14 heads up, $16 or $18 with the BB already in ahead of me, or so, will slow me down a little, won't let me play something that makes 2 pair on this kind of board.

As played, we are way behind.

He limped UTG, we might even be drawing dead.

If he's Doyle Brunson and knows you won't stack off with top pair, GG him, pick on someone else next time.

Fold.

Even if his range includes a bunch of combo draws you are still way behind getting a bad price

This is a fold all day. We've only invested ~1/6th of our stack in a TPGK hand and we've encountered significant resistance. This is a wettish board that is draw heavy and thick in two pair combos for 8$ pre flop at 1/2. At worst we are seeing 2 pr, I think medium pair and combo draw is not unlikely either from an aggressive opponent, and sets are never ruled out either.

Preflop- raise more. 8$ is generally just a pot bloating raise in 1/2. It doesn't fold out enough weak hands to be productive, IMO. 12$ is better, depending on what the table is doing. Loads of LLSNL players will play basically any 'pretty' cards for 8$, and this gives us our two pair combos of Ax and drawing hands like suited connectors and gappers.

Bet sizing on both streets is fine. We are bet/folding TPGK on the turn here always and we will get folds or flats from weaker aces if that's what we were up against, but the shove is not telling us anything weaker than 2 pair. If we were to get a flat here, we can check back river knowing we got 2 streets of decent value from our hand.

Fold.

Yeah, pretty straightforward fold here imo

i would raise more pre - at least $12.

i'd fold to this overbet and probably LOL at the guy for the size of his bet

i also think you bet too much on the turn. why pot it? $45 sounds right.

i think you can check back turn for pot control and to induce his float range on river...calling most bets on river on most cards might fold heart...if checked on river maybe betting 1/3-1/2. as played def fold 1 pair unless V is completely insane. *ah just saw hes ancient...laugh and fold.

OK I agree with the team it is an easy fold here, but I'm curious about what is the bottom of our calling range if the action was the same?

What do you guys do here with A9? AT? 9T?

More pre-flop. With the table this deep, I'd probably go at least $15.

Less on the turn. $45 looks good.

Fold to the shove.

and on this note I like the bet/fold on turn rather than check back since he has virtually no floated bluff range and this V isnt going to stab missed draws on river.

eMore pre.
Flop % is good. If we raised more pre, I'd bet more on the flop.
Turn % is a bit high. We only have one more street to go so if we are trying to charge a draw then we are setting a price that much higher than we need to, and we are chasing out too many weaker hands that can all our bet.

Pretty standard fold to the check/shove on the turn.
Sucks, but it's how life goes.

There is a case that be made for checking the turn against a craft old man who can put pressure on us, but I think bet/fold will still make more money in the long run esp given the drawy nature of the board.

Thanks to everyone that replied. I can see that I need bigger pre flop bets and ease a little on the turn. I think the replies make sense so I'll post the result:

I tanked for a long time. Even had the clock called on me and that almost never happens. I was ultimately bothered by the snap call on the flop, the A on board didn't phase him.

I folded face up, he flips KJo. Total air.

I let the tail wag the dog on this one.

Even though i just read your last post, I'd still fold.

Pre flop like most said, I would have raised $12. I think $8 plus one limper isn't enough. It just inviting the BB and limper to call.

Regardless of results, it's a fold but I wouldn't fold that hand face up, actually I would never fold any hand face up. Other than that thought you played it fine, raise more pre as others mentioned.

What would you do?

The answer is always shoot the hostage... and fold. Definitely fold.

I'd probably call here with any Aces up+ against this guy. A fair amount of his draws picked up equity with the T (QJ, T9, J8), and he could easily have floated with T9 and now be value-shoving 2 pair. Sucks if he has AT.

Never ever fold face up, especially a hand this strong. We don't want people to start bluffing us.

Yes .. We go into 'so you really want to win it that bad' and fold it out mode. The bet makes no sense. 100% polarized. The fact that he's not OMC leads me to fold more I think. Your Turn bet is a bit 'go away'ish rather than for value and he may have picked up on it being weak to the draws out there. Or he saw something in a previous hand that led him down this path.

As far as showing .. I might show the Q (as in QQ), but never the A in this spot here. But showing either card opens up the door for other players to try 'something' against you. Hopefully the next guy does it when you have a set!!

More pre ... cant imagine that this was the standard open, but I do mix up my openers from $7 to $16 in 1-2 and then try to play well post-Flop if it goes multi-way. Must be willing to toss your cards in these spots a few times. GL

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$8 seems way too small for a $1/2 open with a limper in front. c-bet then seems a little big for the pot. $20-25 after betting $10-12 feels more normal.

My first inclination is to laugh at the bet and fold. This seems so stupid of a bet.


After limp/calling your preflop open, he could easily have any Ax, smallish PP's, suited connectors, maybe just random broadways. So there are a lot of ways he could have hit this, and a good number of hands that whiffed entirely.

How long did BB take to check/fold and how long did you think about your bet? Snap-acting is sometimes meaningful, but it's different if Villain is sitting there waiting for the action with time to think or if he just blindly snaps. Same applies on the turn.

I'd like to know more about villain's tendencies. Does he like to bluff big like this? Does he hammer Ax on a board when he thinks you're on an underpair? Overbet a set? Ship a FD/SD combo? Some guys I've played with will absolutely punt a stack drawing dead here. Others will show up with a set scared of the flush draw.

By default I don't expect him to bluff that big here, even if your PSB's on the flop and turn are kind of screaming "go away" to a suspicious V. So it's a fold.

I think we should have bet a little less on the turn. Closer to $45.

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Good lord, don't show the hand. Agreed that MAYBE we could show just the Q and let them try to figure out what the other one was ... but I don't think there's really all that much value there.

Now that we've seen such a move out of this guy I'd be a little more inclined to call him off lighter than I might normally. Just don't try to do it in the next couple of hands. He's not running a second big bluff on you after he just showed one, he's valuetowning your ass the next time.

I don't like your raise sizing pre. If he will call $12/$14/$16 etc, why are we making it $8? Super easy snap fold when he pushes, Holmes. Beluga theorem, dude.

GL