Live 1-3. 8 handed, $100 min $500 max

Villian 1 ($400) Opens to $10 utg. His very first hand he sits down.

Villian is a solid player, early 30's semi reg. I haven't played with him much, but he always has one of the bigger stacks at the table when I scout the room looking to see where I want to sit. I've never seen him get out of line, but again haven't played with him that much. Overall, someone I'd prefer to not sit at a table with.

V2 calls $10
V3 calls $10.

Hero ($400) Raises $50 on the button with kings.

Hero is in his early 30's, solid tight/aggressive. Villian probably views as an average weak reg.

Villian 1 min clicks to $105.

V2 and 3 fold.

Hero fist pump shoves and runs into aces. Yes I understand this is going to happen 5% of the time. I don't see villain ever min clicking with queens. Maybeeee he does it with AK suited.

Do I ever just call this min raise and fold to an Ace on the flop? I don't think I can ever fold for $55 more pre, his line is just so strong though.

Or is this Yolo get it in with kings, and chalk it up to variance that I ran into Aces. /thread ?

**please try to give objective answers and not let the fact that I revealed he had aces sway your decision.

You should have no shoving range in this spot against a known solid player and a shoving range of AA against an unknown.

EDIT: Should clarify, I mean against a solid player with whom you have no particular aggressive history.

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I feel like you 2 are being results oriented, and if you are able to get all in 130bb's with kings preflop, then in a vacuum, you should.

How would you recommend playing the hand then? Folding for $105? Calling $55 and folding A high flop cbets?

Probably call and evaluate.

My experience is that solid regs at 1/3 are prob not calling all in pre with qq or ak very much unless they view you as spewy.

That frequently happens when you put the results in your original post. I suggest for the future to wait 24 hours before posting the results if you want a more unbiased answer.

As played, there's no purpose to a 5 bet in this situation. You're only going to get called by AA or KK. If I was on my "A+" game, I'd fold since a min 4bet is almost always AA. I'd probably call pf since even a slight chance it isn't AA means you should call.

Not being results oriented at all. That is optimal play and how I do play IRL. If you're going to accuse people of being results oriented, maybe don't post the results in the OP?

I would recommend calling and playing in position post. Yes, I would fold to cbet on an Ace high board.

I have never in my life even thought about folding kings preflop in a cash game. And too a minraise no less... This is a alley-oop through the legs 720 slam dunk shove. Id be to busy dancing to even realize villain had aces. Im pretty sure folding kings at live low stakes pre flop is a felony. If its not it should be

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Folding pre seems too nitty here. If flat, fold to a bet on an A high flop, against a solid villain. Against a typical 1/3 villain the hardest part would be keeping my shirt on after I jammed. Villain as described gets a flat though. Unless I know for a fact that he's likely to do this with QQ.

You are flatting PF and evaluating flop, stop putting results in the original post, please. He is still pretty deep here and unknown as you said already.

I'm never going to argue too much with someone getting ~130bb in PF with KK in a 1/3 game. It's completely fine. For me though, I'm also not 5! jamming KK PF unless I know the V to be a bit more spewy than normal. I'm mostly flatting and seeing a flop when facing a 4! with KK from an opponent I deem to be competent.

You’re thinking is completely flawed.

This is 95 percent AA.


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I've only folded KK twice in 4000 hours, but probably should have folded them a couple other times but didn't manage to. Getting IO 8:1 and being in position, I probably sigh call.

Anyone thinking getting in 133 bbs with KK facing a 4bet preflop is a fistpump against anyone that isn't clueless is out-to-lunch, imo.

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