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Harrahs 1/2: KK 200 BB deep against drunken whale Harrahs 1/2: KK 200 BB deep against drunken whale

01-06-2018 , 11:45 PM
Midnight at Harrahs Las Vegas. Hero recently moved to this table, mainly because of drunken whale keeping the action going.

Villain: Big spot at the table, is blasting off chips left and right. He have been drinking for 2-3 hours, and is still ordering drinks at a rapid pace when hero arrives at the table. From what villain is telling me himself,he had his stack up to $1200, but then lost a bunch to one other player at the table. Is playing around $400 now, telling me he is here for action and dont care if he loses some money, so he is warning hero in a friendly/bantering way that he apologizes in advance if he sucks out big on hero. Villain have several big leaks, he can overbet shove with almost anything on the flop/turn/river if he suddenly feels like it (hero witnessed him openshove $200 into a $50 pot with 66 on 4JQ flop 3 ways for example). He calls with any two pre if he feels like playing a hand in that moment. Is also capable of calling huge bets with all sorts of holdings.

Hero: recently table changed as mentioned, and got the jesusseat directly to the left of whale. Winning strong image waiting for his spots, even though i doubt this villain is capable of paying attention to any of that stuff considering his condition this night. Hero is playing $500, after doubling up once already through villain when hero binked a flush against villains medium pair allin on the flop. Besides that pot hero havent played any hands with villain.

Folded around to villain on the cutoff who limps $2. Hero takes a peak at 2 red kings on the button, and makes it $20 to go. Villain as expected instacalls, heads up to the flop.

Flop comes 46J, and villain donks $30 into a pot of $43. Hero?

Last edited by Petrucci; 01-06-2018 at 11:52 PM.
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01-07-2018 , 12:00 AM
Generally, I think Hero should be shoveling money in here.

I would raise to an amount that would instigate him to call/re-raise. I would make it $130 - preferably with a $100 bill or chip. Challenge his manhood.

Last edited by illini43; 01-07-2018 at 12:06 AM.
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01-07-2018 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by illini43
Generally, I think Hero should be shoveling money in here.

I would raise to an amount that would instigate him to call/re-raise. I would make it $130 - preferably with a $100 bill or chip. Challenge his manhood.
He is not playing every hand dealt,because he is also busy drinking,talking to friends coming over to say hi, and cracking jokes with the other players at the table (hero included, i am also taking a few drinks on whales suggestion to keep him as happy as possible).

If i should estimate on average he plays maybe 50 percent of hands dealt, sometimes raising himself or sometimes he limps.

When it comes to his reaction to aggression, i dont have the biggest sample due to me havent been at the table for that long. Most of the spazz ive seen from him this far have been with him being in the driver seat and making the raises/shoves. But he have for sure demonstrated to the table that he is also capable of chasing/stationing when he is facing aggression with a large variaty of holdings from gutters to midpairs,open enders and flushdraws.
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01-07-2018 , 12:14 AM
We crush his range and he's willing to gamble so I am going back and forth between smaller sizing to induce a spazz or a larger sizing. Raising big here can let him off the hook as we'll look pretty strong. A raise to 75 keeps his bluffs and weak made hands in while giving him the impression he could get us off our hand. Plus it gives us an SPR of 2 on the flop, allowing us to easily go half pot on turn and river to get the money in.

Edit: i think either line is fine, in the heat of the moment I prob raise large especially given OP's description but at the same time he doesn't sound like a complete drooler. So really the only advice I can give is: don't fold at any point during this hand.

Last edited by DeathCabForTootie; 01-07-2018 at 12:20 AM.
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01-07-2018 , 12:21 AM
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01-07-2018 , 12:32 AM
Turn J or A will be gross, but agree with dcft, this is a raise, gii spot. We're in decent shape against his continuing range.
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01-07-2018 , 12:39 AM
Raise big. Ship turn. Easy game.
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01-07-2018 , 05:56 AM
He's saying he likes his hand.

Raise to 110. Call a shove.

If he snap folds, don't beat yourself up.

Taking a completely passive line is something I'd only want to do premeditated and only vs a very specific type of maniac who repeatedly barrels every street with any two cards unless they encounter aggression.
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01-07-2018 , 06:07 AM
Probably calling but raising can't be bad
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01-07-2018 , 06:51 AM
You've already demonstrated you're willing to get it in with a flushdraw. All the more reason to raise.
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01-07-2018 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by illini43
Generally, I think Hero should be shoveling money in here.

I would raise to an amount that would instigate him to call/re-raise. I would make it $130 - preferably with a $100 bill or chip. Challenge his manhood.
Ratatat is what’s up
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01-07-2018 , 10:56 AM
Let's not get serious! Let's act like we're having more fun than him at the table as we work our way to gettin' it all in by the river. Well, if V gets serious, he may have something real.
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01-07-2018 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
Let's not get serious! Let's act like we're having more fun than him at the table as we work our way to gettin' it all in by the river. Well, if V gets serious, he may have something real.
Villain could have all sorts of lol draws. There is a strong argument to get the monies in by the turn here.
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01-07-2018 , 01:52 PM
Hero sez, "One time dealer", and pushes in a stack.
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01-07-2018 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
Hero sez, "One time dealer", and pushes in a stack.
This. The guy is here to gamble and have fun. A big bet says you are too and is most likely to get called by the middle of his range. If he has air he's folding to any bet, and if he has you beat he's coming in 100%, so take the line that exploits his draws, AJx holdings. I don't think this guy folds any of those here.

Edited as I misread stack sizes. at 100b stacks I shove 100%.
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01-07-2018 , 03:53 PM
"a stack" = $100

Villain is ~$400 effective.
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01-07-2018 , 06:15 PM
Isn't a stack 200 here?

Anyway...

Pot 43 with 380 back. Not a great SPR, but I'm planning to commit against V.

We can't really predict V's responses to our actions, IMO. Anything we do might make him fold or jam or break out into song. Whatevs. (I'm told no one says that anymore.)

When we can't predict meta-game, let's just fall back on doing something reasonable.

100 to go, for the commitment. Call or jam turn.
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01-07-2018 , 06:34 PM
$125.
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01-08-2018 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Ratatat is what’s up
Cheers

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$125.
Imo, there is a significant difference here between $125 and $130.
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01-08-2018 , 03:08 AM
Hello petrucci, your posts are interesting and well structured, keep em coming!

Here is my humble opinion;
I think that by putting him on a range the situation can clear up. Of course due to villain being a tipsy whale his range consists of any two cards.

Because of his wide range we can asume we are ahead the majority of the time when holding KK on this flop.

I believe that against this opponent, his range, the effective stack size 200bb (not deep imo), and the high likeliness of having the best hand we want to play for stacks.

Would he call a shove after his donk bet? Maybe but likely with a low frequency and mostly with nutted hands. Villain has about 340$ after donk bet, pot is now 70, will be 100 with our call and 200 with our raise of "100 on top" I would say it like this too, hopefully he punts.

You described him as someone who can call big bets and hero has had direct action with villain when hero gii with a fd otf. Because of these reasons we need to pile.

If he shoves I would call. If he calls pot is 300 ott and he has about 240 left. I think shoving any non diamond ott is proper.


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01-08-2018 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ezgrind
Hello petrucci, your posts are interesting and well structured, keep em coming!

Here is my humble opinion;
I think that by putting him on a range the situation can clear up. Of course due to villain being a tipsy whale his range consists of any two cards.

Because of his wide range we can asume we are ahead the majority of the time when holding KK on this flop.

I believe that against this opponent, his range, the effective stack size 200bb (not deep imo), and the high likeliness of having the best hand we want to play for stacks.

Would he call a shove after his donk bet? Maybe but likely with a low frequency and mostly with nutted hands. Villain has about 340$ after donk bet, pot is now 70, will be 100 with our call and 200 with our raise of "100 on top" I would say it like this too, hopefully he punts.

You described him as someone who can call big bets and hero has had direct action with villain when hero gii with a fd otf. Because of these reasons we need to pile.

If he shoves I would call. If he calls pot is 300 ott and he has about 240 left. I think shoving any non diamond ott is proper.


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Thanks man for the kind words.

Regarding villains range here when he calls $20 pre and then donks $30 into me on this board- i suspect that a big bulk of his range is Jx hands and flushdraws. Sure i would think he could sometimes show up with something ridicilous here like a naked gutter, or even complete air like a KQ type of hand with one diamond, but i think those kind of hands are few in this spot. At least pretty heavily discounted.
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01-08-2018 , 11:08 PM
Pretty sure we're ready for your action, Gil.
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01-09-2018 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
Pretty sure we're ready for your action, Gil.

Patience my friend, patience

Alright, results incoming.

As mentioned briefly above hero is mostly ranging villain on all different top pair type of hands, and all flushdraws. With the dynamic builded up, and him basically saying out loud that he wants to gamble in a big pot- i decided after some deliberation, that it was worth it to go for the overbet jam line in this spot and give him the chance to gamble for it all if he wants to right here.

Hero announce allin for $350 more, villain pretty much instacalls. I show him my kings right away, villain shows 10-7 for the flushdraw. The turn is a 10, giving him even more outs and gives heros heartrate a slight bump- but the river is the beautiful 3 so hero ships.
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