villain 1 UTG not much info but seems tilted from playing and losing a few big hands to villain 2 has about 250

villain 2 on the button plays mostly LAG has 600 calls raises pre in or out of position frequently, capable of bluffing but is running well at the moment

hero in co has 320 image is tag but will balance range as well has AKss

v1 limps
hero raises to 20 300 behind
v2 and v1 call

flop is A 5 6c rainbow (63)

v1 checks
hero bets 45 255 behind
both call

turn Qc (198)
v1 checks
hero bets 100 155 behind
both call
river 10 c (498)
v1 checks
hero checks
v2 goes all in and covers v1 folds
hero?

should I push river?
call or fold as played?
should I have pushed turn?
any other info. welcome

Flop i would bet 55 at least...n turn is still kinda small of a bet especially with 2 callers...i'm really not putting them on flush draws. You're most likely facing a set. Maybe 2 pair. You gotta call the river (being so committed)

I don't think it makes a difference on the flop if its 45 or 55.

They could easily have turned a flush draw with Axcc. I think sets are probably raising the turn so I wouldn't be to worried about that.

River is a fold. 2pair and flushes got there.

You're getting over 4:1 to call. I'm not good enough to fold TPTK getting those odds after I checked the river.

What hands to you expect to beat when you call though? I know we are getting great odds but realistically isn't is just throwing money away? If we are going to call shouldn't we just bet before he does?

What do you think about shoving the turn?

Flop is good.

Turn is good although a pot control check here could work also.

River is a sigh fold. Even though V is capable of bluffing, he isn't doing so when you have so little left. You're only beating AJ and bluffs and losing to multiple two pairs and flushes.

thanks for the info. tomorrow I will post results, please keep responding all answers, have been interesting. Thanks!

i expect villain to have like 78cc , 47cc , not a set . sets are not flatting this turn facing a $100 half pot bet, to shove a club river.

v2 is not float floating you with air to shove the river here either. just b/c he is lag and capable of bluffing doesnt mean he is an idiot and pretty much knows you have to call the shove. that is why he called the $100 on the turn, which was your mistake in this hand. bet like $160 on the turn. as played, this river is a value shove and i can fold.

I did end up folding thinking this was a value shove. I said nice move to the villain hoping he would show and he did. he showed 34 for a missed straight draw. My thought on being committed was that I only really beat air and that I would win less than 25% of the time here, however for those who said call I am open to further reasoning.

I think I should have shoved the turn and if a villain showed up with AQ oh well.
Any thoughts on shoving turn are welcome.

thanks everyone
great responses

Call the river. 2players before me checking (waving the white flag), I'm shoving here if i'm v2

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Why aren't we shoving this river?

dicecube and brojaysimpson I agree and was unhappy with my check on the river

I still think shoving turn would have been best, thoughts?

grunch: crying call

for that price you can't fold. i think checking river is ok but part of that reason is to allow for bluffs so you have to stick that in villain's range (of course it's largely because of the usual "what's worse that would call me and i have showdown value"). what would prompt a hot running player that's ok with bluffing (in our favor) but seems to be playing bingo poker to shove? a wide range... back-door flush, odd 2 pair. price is just too good.

i think you played it fine imo on pre, flop and turn. and i'm not sure myself what the right play is on the river so i think it's just a tough spot.

I would bomb the turn harder than that, I'm going like 135 here and then river is easy

If I bet 135 on the turn I leave myself having to shove any river. Do you think shoving turn would be better?

If you are going to commit on the turn I would just shove when you still have some F/E.

I also think if you plan on calling a river bet you may as well just bet the river yourself.

thanks Fish Taco I agree a shove on the turn would have been a better play

This... I don't like shoving the turn.

interesting why?

brojasimpson if you already said why not shove the river then why not the turn is this a value bet on the turn? Do we want to keep villains in here? just wondering

The more I think about it I like shoving the turn. If we are betting $100 on the turn it really prices us in to call any river and a lot of river cards suck for us. So why not not just get it in? We charge any draws trying to get there and may get called lighter because someone may think we are on a draw or a weak Ace.

Thoughts?

Edit: lol

Betting more on the Flop (maybe PF) makes it easier to shove (which is really just value) on the Turn. I dont really like a medium sized bet on Turn since you let the draws into to the action cheaper and they have no reason to pay you off if they miss the River.

AP I like to c/c on the River to bluff catch. I think that any other 2 pair than AQ wont bet into you very often. Both of these players have no reason to believe that you dont have AQ here and I agree that sets from either opponent wouldve protected more on the Turn ... unless they felt the Turn bet was so weak that they felt super secure with their hand.

If you want to bet River then that is the spot for the 'smallish' bet since I think you may fold out Arag 2 pair some of the time (mind games with Mr. tilt) and rarely get raised ... unless AQ. Would be cheaper than calling this shove here as well but I am also planning on calling of the rest of my stack if raised anyway.

When you raise bet bet and then give up you shoudl be willing to call it off some of the time. GL

You obviously dont know how many callers you are going to get when you raise PF, but always try to plan the hand based on 2 other to the Flop and HU to the Turn with my stack size in mind.

By two pair getting there do u mean a10?

$55 flop, shove turn. Even as played I shove turn or make some stupid bet like $180 and bet the rest on the river.