villian: 400 $
Hero: 330$

we are playing a no limit holdem live cash game, blinds are 2/2.

utg limps, utg +1 limps, villian limps.
i raise from the button to 16 dollar.
utg folds, utg +1 calls and villian raises to 110 dollar, i never played against this old man before, but i saw him playing very tight in the couple of hours i was playing with him.

i had pocket queens, i decided to fold because i put him on KK/AA. and i obvious cant set mine for 1/3 of my stack.
sorry my english is not my native language.

Easy.

Fold, you did good.

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I don't know if I would call it easy, but I think a fold is good.

I think KK is a fold as well.

His range could easily be AK also but still a good fold. You'll get better opportunities

I really don't see a limp behind two limper with KK+ but I do see old men getting frustrated with your raises and pulling random bluffs to show you your place.

I'd def rely on body language here but without any info I would never fold here.

if you dont fold do you shove?
if you cold call with over two hundo in the pot its going all in anyway isnt it
isnt this a fold or shove spot

I think I fold.

I wouldn't regard it as super-easy. Maybe a 6-7 out of 10 on the "easy" scale.

Second place is probably a shove rather than a call, since you win 100% of the time he folds and he might fold Kx / Ax garbage type hands that have decent equity against your QQ on a flop (where the money would go in regardless).

this is hardly ever AK and mostly AA.

Could be 23o, could be anything. Still a good fold.

even if i think the tight old guy hates me and occasionally spews here, the first time he pulls this move i give him credit and fold.

Seems like a good fold. Next time describe yourself and your play so we know a little more.

Welcome. Not bad posting for doing so in a foreign language.

This kind of play *used* to usually be medium PPs. If they open-limped and re-raised, it was AA/KK, but if the limped over others, it was usually a PP they didn't want to fold, but couldn't flat the raise with. In the last year, though, I've seen this play with premiums a lot more. I don't know why, as they are have a much bigger risk of being in a multi-way limped pot and being OOP to one or two of the players.

If you've been very aggressive about punishing the limpers, such that the old man is pretty sure that you'll raise, the chance that this is AA/KK goes WAY up. Your image is very important here.

Mr Rounder this is a very player and situation dependent hand. I think with the information given it is a fold but 40%+ of the time in this situation i will shove

It's not... The villains range is very polarised which means that a jam achieves nothing (he folds his bluffs).

It isn't just AA either, as we all learnt on our videos. It's quite often a bluff in this exact situation... Our range to open here is relatively weak but the pot is rather big. An old boy might well see the steal opportunity here... If it were a clearly weak player than you would probably expect to see AA.

I see old rocks pull this all the time. I have no idea what they are thinking. It doesnt matter if its a game with a lot of preflop raises or huge limp fest. They will limp along with everyone else, but go crazy when the raise gets back to them with AA KK. I think with that in mind its a fold.

Masta--

Your English is better than some natives on this forum, so don't be self-conscious...

I can't imagine calling here when the reads are "old man" and "playing tight." Shoving is terrible. Once in a blue moon, he does the ole' squeeze play he learned in WW2. However, if that's the case, NH, take it down sir. You'll have better spots to get your stack in some other time.

Yeah ok you guys are convincing me to give up on QQ... Although, if you do see this guy do it often then know that it isn't only the nuts! Keep an eye out for him slow playing the nuts too.

seems odd he would limp a premier behind 2 other callers kinda feels more like tens or jax.. if he were first limper then ya id just wwait for abetter spot but since he's not id atleast consider a call here and use my late position raising tendencies as the the medium, meaning if ive been isolating alot call it off and if i've been fairly honest and not to much late position raising prob just give him credit.

IMO ur age and table tendencies are usually wat people use to define their play in these spots so if ur a twenty something who raises every hand call.. if ur older and more conservative fold