2/5, have like $1050 in front of me on the cutoff about 2.5 hours into the session. (Bought in $500)

Folds to guy to my right (About $1.2K) - had played with him the day before for about 6 hours... solid player who mixes it up.

He raises to $25 (Standard open for this table).

I look down at 7d7c. I call the $25.

Folds to SB (sitting with about $520). He is a player new to table that seems like a scrub. He raises to $80.

Guy to my right calls.

I think for a sec and then call.


FLOP comes 7h 8d 9c.

Guy to my left makes it $125. Guy to my right raises to $250. Now to me. I now have about $970 in front of me. What would you do here?

call and fold to any other further wager

I made it $400... Thinking it would give me room to fold if I get shoved on. Looking back I dont like it really

Pretty gross spot.

Probably flat, you're almost certainly way ahead of SB, but if he repops it and solid player calls you're never ahead.

Really not appealing options here. We're going to be playing for stacks on the turn regardless if we call here.

The options are call or fold. Raising accomplishes nothing.

The more I think about it, the more this could be one of the rare spots where folding a set is super easy if more bets go in here.

What is $1.2 guy's raise/flat range pre?

You are going to have to give me some pretty nitty player descriptions before I do anything other than the line that gets the money in.

I think I flat to let sb jam his last $ and jam over $1.2 guy's second flat or call his shove or w/e.

If we flat the 250, sb jams for 500+ and second guy flats...what portion of second, seemingly competent player's range are we ever ahead of? Our flat of the minraise looks super strong and if he overcalls a second time he's just inviting us in the pot, when are we good?

pf was not too good (both calls pf). I would want to see more people in the pot or have information regarding implied odds on the other two (meaning they will be very aggressive post flop no matter if they hit or not) in order for me to setmine 77 in a 3bet pot.

on the flop I think we are up against an overpair from the sb (3better) and the guy to your right seems to want to isolate with a minraise (as per your read he likes to mix it up). However we have bottom set here, so I would flat and try to keep the pot to a reasonable amount.

Not sure I have the positions correct. Looks like SB ($520) 3-bet pre, you are CO and MP was the opener. Assuming those are accurate, I view the SB flop lead of $125 into $245 as weak, perhaps AK/AQ. Without reads, I’d underweight sets, 2-pair and over pairs.

MP can mix it up, perhaps a thinking Level 1 opponent who may perceive SB bet sizing as weak. On the other hand, his min-raise may be an attempt to induce. Besides nutted hands, TT+/ATs may make this play given his descript. He also opened pre, which usually denotes a wider range.

SB started with 104 bbs. You flopped a set on a drawy board. I think 3-betting may fold worst (SB), nevertheless you are committed for 104 bbs. I’d opt to flat and call a raise by either. Set over set would be very unlucky. However, we have equity against the nuts (JT), with 10 outs.

Pre - I think it is close (fold) given 3-bet from unknown w/104 bbs effective in relative position.

I smooth called pre bc I was 99% sure I would stack SB if I hit set. That being said, after I make it $400 on the flop - he shoves, guy to my right shoves. I have $470 left and I fold like a fish. I hate my fold.

Turns out guy to my right had 5s6s for straight, SB had QQ

Sigh, do not post results so quickly please. I had a lot to post on this matter.

That said, results show that this is never a fold. Ever.

Raise/Folding is perhaps the worst possible line to be taken. You raised half of your stack "for information".

Our only concern is how to best get the money in against the widest of ranges. I think a flat/jam is the best line as guy to your right will be committed at that point.

Fold or push them in.

Pretty gross flop for our set, for a number of reasons. As the action went, I fold because I feel I am boat-mining given the action, I don't feel confident V will flat the raise rather than reraise, and I just don't like the guju of this hand anymore and don't want to overvalue my set.

Don't listen to these people, solid call pre.

I'm always surprised people on 2+2 can't just not read the results, put themselves in hero's shoes, or analyse the hand ignorant of the future we wouldn't know had we not read the results.

It's like gradeschool text books with the answers in the back.

How are we supposed to not read the results if they aren't in spoiler tags or something?

Its literally not possible for the human brain to remain unbiased when you learn of the results. That's exactly why they shouldn't be posted.

a lot of people are going to play a certain hand the wrong way if hero "made the correct call" in one out of a billion hands because they will say "You won, so you made the right play" or "You would have lost so it was a good fold".

Then, when they face the same situation in the future, they're going to be playing it wrong.

If we make the same play out of 100 times, how many times will we win and how many times will we lose? If we won 12 out of 100 times, does that mean we should always play it like that? I think not.

results do not matter

Flipping with his range at best unless he's a fish. Puke/fold. Then go in the bathroom and cry a little.

Results matter to me because I want to see how other players are playing -- these are my opponents, and I can learn something from knowing how they played and what hands they are playing. I do prefer spoiler boxes, though.

results meaning our own results, if we won the hand or lost the hand as long as we know we played it the correct way.

I read above first, and I had some ideas as to what I think of HJ's range.

Then I scrolled down and found that the result has already been posted.

There's absolutely nothing solid about the play. It makes no sense.

The problem of playing a hard with incorrect read is that it leads to decisions that aren't optimal.

This is one hand. This particular play isnt "solid" but as I said he mixed it up. I had probably 10-12 hours of playing time with him and knew he was capable of playing a wide range, although I didnt think that wide. 88 or 99 made more sense to me, thats why I folded.

Mixing up means to make horrible call against an unknown?

Agree it was a terrible call. Made no sense to me

These bad plays aren't isolated incidents if you pay attention to the player.

FWIW, there's no value in providing a read if you add a caveat like "mixes it up."

What you're saying is that you want us to think of him as Type A, but throw everything out of the window because this instance could be when he "mixes it up."

So what's the point of even having that read?