Live $1/$2

Hero around $280 Villain $400

Pretty loose table and I have an aggressive rep. No info on villain.

UTG with AhJc

Raise to $8 and get 4 callers

Flop AdAs7c

I bet $24, MP raises to $75 and everybody folds to me.

My plan is to call, check/call turn and shove river. Debated check/shoving turn.

Turn 10c

I check, MP bets $75. Bet sizing seems off on his part, but I just call.

River Kc

I shove. Suggestions on playing the hand differently?

check/shove turn?

I would have probably just shoved flop, v raised to $75 making pot around $136...your extra $51 makes pot $187 and leaves you ~$195ish... If you call $75, I think you basically just committed your stack, so I don't see any reason not to shove here...

--I also think $8 raise pre is waaay to small, especially from EP.

You really don't like getting raised on this flop at a passive table. That's not a good thing. Villain is basically representing a hand that beats you (AQ, AK, A7, 77). I guess you say you have no read on villain, so who knows for sure. I would probably just assume he's playing like the others until I know better - loose/passive.

I would bet/call flop with plan to soul read turn (either check/shove or check/fold).

When you get to the turn, the pot is $182 and you have $197 left in stacks. If he bets turn, you should never play a river. The turn needs to be a check/fold or a check/shove. When he bets $75 and you just check/call, you're left with $122 in stacks with a pot of $332. You're committed on every river but in a compromised situation oop where it's a little tougher to get max value and a little easier to get value towned.

As you can see, there's no point in check/calling the turn.

I'd probably bet/call flop and check/decide the turn. I know it sounds pretty nitty not to commit here with trips, but really, what are you beating? You love to be in a situation here to bet/bet/shove for value (in this spot, you should have sized flop just a little bigger so you could bet/shove), but when someone puts in the raise on a flop, which is always a raise for value, AJ is turning into a bluff catcher. I'd certainly consider check/folding the turn. And the T is a bad card because AT now beats you.

I got raised in a similar spot about an hour ago when The flop was AAK, I had AJ and V had KQ, so I guess I'm a little biased in my thinking in this hand.

I still think though If I'm putting almost 1/3 of my stack in on the flop, that I am pretty much committed. I think the time to decide is before you put in the extra $51. Am I wrong here? Why would I want to put in $51 if my plan is to check/fold the turn? Is v ever checking turn here? Our call looks weak, our turn check looks weak, why would v check?

Calling flop raise with the intention to check reevaluate turn would essentially mean we are calling $51 to win ~$131 for a 3 outer (any J) getting roughly 2.6 -1...this seems like a bad plan to me...but I've been wrong before

I would fold the turn honestly. He's not bluffing. You only beat suited Ax which probably don't raise the flop. Tons of combos of AK, AQ, AJ, AT, 77, and A7s.

I think flatting flop raise is fine because people will spaz on these boards often, but turn is a bad card and his bet looks like value...

I don't think villain bets the turn 100% of the time. Sure, he sometimes raises the flop lighter than he should (your KQ hand is a good example), but in many of those cases, he will check behind on the turn.

When villain does bet the turn, we can very often learn (even readless) from poor bet sizing at 1/2; a larger bet is going to be stronger than a smaller bet, and I'd probably station down facing fairly small bet sizing.

And yes, we can spike a J (or the case A), but of course that's not our main goal.

Also, we opened from UTG. I'm not giving villain credit for hand reading, but between you and I, our range is like 22+, suited broadway, ATs+, AJo+. We're at the bottom of our value range, and your hand is pretty face up when we bet/call the flop. Again, that's between you and I.

However, between hero and villain, well villains love to put hero on AK, especially opening from EP. Raising this flop and then firing on the turn represents a ton of strength from this villain even if he can't really hand read. He could spaz with A2-A6, A8-A9, but without a better read, I'm assuming he's loose/passive and strong.

I'm going to take a guess that v caught an A high club flush on the river

Thanks for the advice. In the end villain had A7o.

I see what you're saying willy,I guess I just don't agree with it. (But I'm a noob, so go figure lol )

It just seems very spewy to me to just call this flop. If our intention is to call a turn bet, then we have determined we have the best hand, so why not shove? If our intention is to fold to a turn bet if we miss our J, then we just threw away $51 on a 3 outer. I just can't see the value of calling $51 if we are most likely folding the turn. I think the decision needs to be made on the flop.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but because op included suits of cards, it seems to me v caught the A high club flush, since I don't know any other reason why op would feel the need to include suits for this hand...and maybe a shove on the flop could have gotten rid of that hand (or in better words, given v poor odds for a runner runner draw)

Crap, so much for my conspiracy theory haha

If we shove flop, we fold out all of villain's pure bluffs, weird spazes, and give him the opportunity to fold A9.

Calling flop to evaluate the turn has nothing to do with hitting a 3 outer. Villain's turn action is relevant information to how we should proceed in the hand.

Ok, this makes more sense to me...I'm on board with you guys now

One of these days my grunch post is going to be spot on haha

River is spew. After action on the turn, it's unlikely a hand you beat puts any more money in.

this. given the table dynamics, I don't see you ever folding this, so might as well shove OTF.

unless you think that V is bluffing......

Turn seems like a good spot to block bet $45.