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09-06-2017 , 01:57 AM
Playing 1/2 NL. Had been fairly card dead so image at the table is fairly tight. Decide to raise to $12 preflop with J10o from middle position. Get one caller directly to my left. Flop comes A 4 5 rainbow. I continuation bet $15 into a pot of $25 and get a call turn comes and 8 and I sense my opponent is weak so I bet $25 now into a pot of $55. My opponent reluctantly calls with a light huff. River comes another 8. So in order to continue my story of a strong ace I three barrel bluff I bet $50 into a pot of $110 and he calls and turns over pocket 6s. I felt a bit shocked and thought that maybe he could have seen my hand when I looked preflop. Perhaps I gave off some kind of tell but even still seems like a crazy call.
What do u guys think
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09-06-2017 , 02:35 AM
What's the basis for assuming our opponent is weak?

I'd likely fold pre. I begin opening JTo in HJ or later provided there isn't someone who auto calls or 3bets a lot in CO or BTN.
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09-06-2017 , 03:34 AM
Don't you worry about one hand.

It doesn't matter with what hand you come in as long as you think the hand is playable, you come in for a raise and represent strength. That is good. If a fish with pocket 66 calls and go to the river unimproved against over cards on all streets when you barrel on every street he's gonna get broke. Any pocket pair going all the way to the river will make a set only 20% of the time seeing all five cards. So, 80% of the time he's gonna still have a small pair. Most of the time, I mean the vast majority of time you will blow away any other decent player.

JT for a raise is OK but if you limp or call a raise with JT ... well.., you got some holes to plug. You're fine.. Don't you worry about.
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09-06-2017 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JackRabit
Playing 1/2 NL. Had been fairly card dead so image at the table is fairly tight. Decide to raise to $12 preflop with J10o from middle position. Get one caller directly to my left. Flop comes A 4 5 rainbow. I continuation bet $15 into a pot of $25 and get a call turn comes and 8 and I sense my opponent is weak so I bet $25 now into a pot of $55. My opponent reluctantly calls with a light huff. River comes another 8. So in order to continue my story of a strong ace I three barrel bluff I bet $50 into a pot of $110 and he calls and turns over pocket 6s. I felt a bit shocked and thought that maybe he could have seen my hand when I looked preflop. Perhaps I gave off some kind of tell but even still seems like a crazy call.
What do u guys think
I think you should try to play with him as often as possible and take him to value city.
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09-06-2017 , 07:18 AM
This is very standard for 1/2. Lots of villains are very stationary, until you know a villain has a fold button don't try to barrel them off hands. If villain has called a bet and is still in hand on the turn just give up your air.

As for your specific hand, JTo is usually too loose from MP. At most tables you won't have enough FE preflop and won't hit the flop hard enough often enough. Flop bet is fine, but once he calls that it's generally time to give up. You don't have any sort of draw and hitting one pair on the river often will not give you the best hand.
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09-06-2017 , 07:46 AM
Welcome to the forum!

Agree with others, fold JTo pre without better reads and generally don't run big bluffs on unknowns.

A few other thoughts.

If you're going to run a big bluff, make it scary. You bet $25 into $55 OTT and $50 into $110 OTR. Those are small absolute bets and aren't particularly scary at all. V called the flop, well, 'cause reasons. Then he called the turn 'cause he had a pair and a gutshot. Then he called the river 'cause, well it's only $50 more.

If you're going to bluff here, make it something like $45 OTT and $100 OTR or even $25 OTT and still $100 OTR. Those bets are much scarier.

Your image is less important than you might think. Many LLSNL V's aren't paying any attention anyway.

The cbet here was good. But when you're called it's fairly likely that V has an A. (Obviously not here, but in general). Ace high flops tend to get more folds OTF because it looks like it might have hit your raising range. But if V calls the flop, they're more likely to also call further streets, either because they've decide you just don't have it or they have it themselves.

Prefer to bluff when you have some sort of draw to back it up, even if it's not all that strong. Even a gutshot gives you a 9% chance to suck out OTR, which can turn a marginal bluff into a profitable move.

Prefer to bluff when the board has gotten scarier to the likely flop calling hands. Say the flop had been 9-hi. If the turn were a K, this would have been a much better bluff. You turn a gutshot to add some equity and the K will likely be a scare card to many hands that would have called the flop.
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09-06-2017 , 10:24 AM
Fold pre. As played, bet more on turn and more on river.
66 isn't that crazy of a call from the V, especially if he has a few reads on you.
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09-06-2017 , 10:38 AM
Thank You all for your opinions. It is greatly appreciated. I definitely need to try and time my bluffs more properly. Just getting frustrated by not getting enough value hands vs such weak fields and attempting moves that I prolly should give up on. Still have a lot to learn as far as composure when it comes to cash games.
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09-06-2017 , 11:20 AM
Try to put a bit more info in the post OP.

Like reads and any previous hands with villain. Also, stack depths? This is pretty vital information as if you're trying to bluff the river and V has less than a PSB you likely have little to no fold equity.

AP, if you're both still relatively deep by the river, I would make your bluff bet at least 75-100% of the pot - I'd go for around $90
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09-06-2017 , 12:05 PM
I don't understand the responses calling for bigger bets.
OTF there is actually $24 in the pot after the rake & you bet $15, so now there is $51 in the pot & this time you bet $25.

We have a raked pot of $100 going into the river & you bet $50, which is 2x what you bet OTT. These bet sizes scream value bets to me, since you definitely want a call OTR if you have an ace.

I see this bet line all the time when they have the goods, however, it would be slightly larger a fair amount of the time; I often see a $30 bet OTT & then with $110 in the pot, a $60 bet. That's the way they'll play AK/AQ. Not worried about you catchin' one of your 3 outs if you have an ace.

For some reason your opponent didn't believe you, or as suggested, he doesn't fold to one overcard to his PP. Or, maybe you've joined in on the 6th street conversation of past hands & mentioned technical words like 'equity', 'implied odds' or god forbid, how often a guy's bluff has to be successful when he bets 1/2 the pot, etc. Maybe you bet too fast, or maybe, just maybe, your opponent didn't like your shirt.

I don't play JTo from mid position like so many of the others who responded.

P.S.: Don't post the results as it skews the responses.
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09-06-2017 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by touchmyflop
Try to put a bit more info in the post OP.

Like reads and any previous hands with villain. Also, stack depths? This is pretty vital information as if you're trying to bluff the river and V has less than a PSB you likely have little to no fold equity.

AP, if you're both still relatively deep by the river, I would make your bluff bet at least 75-100% of the pot - I'd go for around $90
In the session I played last night, guy bets $95 [with his Q hi broken str8 draw] into a $135 pot. His opponent takes 30 secs+ to call with 2nd pair.

I believe there is so much more money to be won in LLSNL catchin' bluffs than trying to pull off your own. You have to bluff, but mine are semi-bluffs the vast majority of the time.
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10-20-2017 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
I think you should try to play with him as often as possible and take him to value city.
^this

Make a mental note on this dude and drop your bluffs
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10-20-2017 , 01:30 PM
You see what's gonna happen when you play trash hands? - After being card dead now JTo looks like AA and finally you come back to life. The preflop error gets compounded many times over post flop and you lose more money.

When you feel you're card dead it's just retrospective illusion. You actually are even right now when the next hand comes. The last hour or two means nothing. It doesn'y matter if you got good or bad hands. What matters is the next situation. You got to be and play into "the NOW". Always remember that.
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