you played that fine, i like your sizing everywhere.

still shouldnt slowroll villian otr ;-)

I didn't see that OP raised turn. Yeah Hero's turn raise changes things and looks more like AQ, KQ, JJ.

I wouldn't raise turn either. The J is a bad card for you. You now lose to QJ and raising turn kinda turns your hand face up. Also you're kinda forced to commit because he may just be terrible and overplay Qx here.

Flat turn and see what he does on river. If he bets really small, you can likel raise big for value. You can sometimes even over bet jam if he's never folding Qx. But I hate the turn raise

Thx, didn't mean to slow roll. Just making a final scan of how it played out. I'm certainly not one to rush a decision

Life is so much easier if you just flat the turn. His hand is strong so just call and keep his fill range in.

I also dont understand how anyone would discount 55 here or QJ. This is exactly how most old rec players would play those hands.

dont let you talk into not raising turn here in future. everybody suggesting that is obviously missing so much value he could have gotten out of his hand.

but they never learn.

focussing on herofolds instead of getting value.

Never folding this hand against described villain. He sees a premium, and he thinks he's entitled to win regardless of what the board reads, and I'm willing to bet he feels the same way about trips.

OP made me want to puke fold.

I've been focusing on getting value on the river in position even with scary boards. I recently moved up to 2/5 and I've noticed the flush draws and open ended call downs have virtually gone away. Therefore getting that last bet in on the river is key. In a 1/2 game you never know.

Has nothing to do with herofolding...

Your only value owning yourself here...like i said flat turn...r/f river

A few things...

I think it is a mistake to not have a plan to get stacks in here from the flop. We flopped the blade here and this guy is telling you he is willing to put some good money in. If he's got 55, good for him, but there are plenty of Qx hands that will more than make up for that situation. But yeah, as others have said, 55 can't be discounted at all here IMO. 3betting the flop is too strong, we also have position, flat seems best.

Come turn, he bet's $100 into ~$250 and you have about ~$500 effective behind? Unless you plan to ship the rest in OTR if he checks, I would suggest raising here. Anywhere in the $200-$300 range seems fine. Yeah, the turn is bad for us but it's definitely not bad enough for me to change my plan.

River is weird... but still... pot is too big he has like 0 combos of flushes... Call.

If we flat the pot will be ~$450 with ~$500 behind, how do we raise/fold the river with a SPR of like 1?

Oh and... NH OP, you played it perfect IMO.

If hero correctly describes this guy (and the QQ vs AJ hand) in his OP, nobody would have a problem with this hand or think twice about calling the shove. Since hero gave a bad, inaccurate description of the villain, people are questioning the play.

Touché...my b...theres so many post on this board i just pick up where i left off.

Ship it otr imo

Side note...i see so many people thinking when someone says flat...its bc its a bad card...or were afraid.

So many other reasons to flat...in this hand id like to give the drooler more chances to spew.

Lets say V had over a pot size left like 950 at river and he shoved. What then?

This was an easy call for the size of bet left. If the bet were much larger, this would have made for better analysis.

Terrible turn raise. Like actually really really not good

Why? Please elaborate.

cuz if villain has anybrain he should fold every single non fullhouse hand vs ur turn play

Let's not forget though the typical tight old guy blow up. Sits there for 4 hours folding 99% of hands only to get Q10, and stack off. To me the typing of this player rings true. I run across these guys all the time, sit as tight as **** for hours on end, only to end up blowing up badly and getting it in with sometimes a lot worse than flopped trips.

Cheers Mac