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Gross spot with overpair 200 BB deep, Venetian 2/5 Gross spot with overpair 200 BB deep, Venetian 2/5

06-19-2015 , 12:01 AM
Game: Venetian 2/5.

Hero: 25 white male. My image is pretty TAG, although I have been 3betting pre quite a few times, and I have shown down only good hands. Stack $1000 (up from $500).

Villain: 35 white male. Seems somewhat loose passive. Does not bet draws, only made hands. Got stuck $1,000 really early, but rebought for another $1,000 and ran it up to $2,400. V covers hero.

History with villain: 3 hands.

Hand 1: V raises to $25 in MP over 1 limper, Hero 3bets to $90 from SB, V calls. Flop J85r. check check. Turn K. Hero bets $130, V calls. River J. Hero shoves $280, V folds.

Hand 2: Someone raises to $20, 3 calls including V in HJ, hero 3bets to $115 from SB. All fold except V who calls. Flop TT7hh. H checks. V bets $150. H calls. Turn 6h. H checks. V bets $350. H folds.

Hand 3: H raises to $20 from UTG. V calls in BB. Flop Qk4dd. check check. Turn qc. V checks, hero bets 35, V calls. River 6c. check check, V shows t6dd.

Hand in question:

MP raises to $15, 3 calls including villain, H wakes up with KK in BB and pops it to $90. All fold except villain, who calls.

Flop (pot $225) J92
H bets $160, V calls.

Turn (pot $545) 6
H bets $350, V raises to $730 after about 20 seconds. H?

Last edited by MSentry88; 06-19-2015 at 12:25 AM.
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06-19-2015 , 12:23 AM
So V is all in, correct?
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06-19-2015 , 12:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rumor
So V is all in, correct?
No, he covers me. Basically, his raise is putting me extremely close to all in (I'd only have $50 behind if I called).
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06-19-2015 , 12:26 AM
Absent a strong read, I'm not folding with described dynamic. Board is pretty wet.
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06-19-2015 , 12:26 AM
So far he seems to be playing very passive. Its a tough spot imo because you never know with these type of fish he might be overplaying QQ or AJ. His sizing scares me the most if he just went all in I would have been more inclined to call. Do you think he will slow play sets or 2 pairs on that board?
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06-19-2015 , 12:28 AM
I'm folding there. That's a big bet for a loose passive and your hand looks like an overpair
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06-19-2015 , 12:33 AM
Gross. This is a super strong line from this V. 60% of your stack is already in the middle. But there's no way one pair is good, right? You said yourself he doesn't bet draws. And he knows it's super hard for you to fold in this spot. Unless you think he spazzes with AJ here, or MAYBE QQ, it's a puke fold. But I guess I couldn't crucify you too much if you called.
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06-19-2015 , 02:56 AM
You can't fold unless you have a read that this V is a super nit that will only do this with sets. You are getting about 4:1 on the all in including calling off the last 50. You almost have the 20% equity to call versus 2p. If he ever has AJ, QQ, Ad6d, Ad2d, QdTd, or a spaz then folding is horible. Even with your HH that he played his draw passively last time AP this should be a jam for the remaining.

The turn is a total brick so if you think his range is really that strong when he raises then you need to bet smaller to get action from the weaker part of his range and allow yourself to fold to a shove.
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06-19-2015 , 03:57 AM
snap call? we are basically readless, should try to play as unexploitable as possible then, are near the top of our range and get 4 to 1 on a call in an allin situation...
folding is just mubsy, besides that, what hand does he really have that beats us? i even expect to be good here, and we only need to be good a little over 20%...
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06-19-2015 , 04:25 AM
V should never be expecting you to fold after putting in $600 out of your $1000 stack, so this is a fold imo.

But then again, if I was V here and knew you're folding everything except 2p+ in this spot, your turn bet is so exploitable. Not sure if V is capable of semi-bluffing for that reason knowing his line looks ultra-strong.

By default, I'd assume this V is not capable of a levelling play here, and nearly always has KK beat. I'd expect him to show up with JJ/99/J9s pretty often here. Any strong combo-draw would probably raise the flop itself for maximum FE.

What was your plan when you decided to bet the turn incase V raised you?

Very interested to know the results. I don't think a fold is terrible, you're not pot-committed IMO.
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06-19-2015 , 11:53 AM
Against a true rec loose passive...if we call, we're hoping he has QQ or one of the worst played TPTK in history.

I think it's pretty close...we only need to be good 25% of the time. He has those hands sometimes, but a large % of his range here is stuff like 99.

My guess is its pretty close either way, but in a vacuum I lean fold against this sort of V who is never, ever bluffing.

The question you have to answer is, what is the bottom of his "I'm getting it in" range. If it's AJ, it's an easy call. If it is 2 pairs, it's a fold.

Another question to answer - would have have 3 bet AA-QQ pre here? Removing those hands from his range makes it more of a fold, since the three combos of QQ are a big part of what you're hoping to see if you call.
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