Hero's Image- hero this session wasn't playing his A game. I got looked up on two big river bluffs so villains think I'm semi maniac. I'm playing very agro which is why I played this hand a little unorthodox. Villains are starting to call me down lighter. Hero grinds for 12 hours back to even and this hand happens........

v1- limp $3 utg

Hero- call $3 33 hijack 1200eff

v2- makes it $26 (TAG) player BUTTON 675eff

blinds fold

v1- calls $26

Hero - calls $26 is this a fold???

Pot= $82

Flop= 763

v1- checks

Hero- I donk lead $55 given my image this session

v2- calls $55

v1- folds

Pot=$192

Turn- K

Hero- bets $125

v2- calls $125

River- Q

Hero- bets $145

v2- Jams all in roughly $450 !!!!

I just want to throw up

Hero- ???????????

Ya easy call


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I know you think your flop lead is unorthodox but you should actually be leading like that a lot more often than just about anyone does.

The turn and river obviously arent your friend since he can have KK/QQ, but based on how the hand went down, there is no chance in hell he expects you to have a set here. He probably thinks you have something like 87s, 88, or any number of other hands that could never call his river shove on this runout.

Its actually possible hes on a total bluff. He could have missed a heart draw. He could also have things hands like KQ that he thinks is the nuts. There are tons of hands that you beat. You have to call.

Shove otr before he does

As played obv call

Dont do that. You take away his opportunity to shove as a bluff.

Still a call if villain didn't make this move all night? was very tight

don't
give V a chance to bluff missed flush draws

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yea timmy makes a goods point

however not against this villain tim

he was semi nitty when it came to putting money in the middle

I don't think he was capable of calling light

I see your point tho

Even more of an argument to shove otr

But ya u should include this in ur OP’s

OP
you state been playing 12 hrs
and you see your not playing your A game
here discipline is needed to pick up
ahead or stuck doesn't matter

Bet bigger on the river for value ~200-250

To many value hands that you can beat. I think I'm always calling this. Sucks if you run into the top of the villains range here.

in retrospect even though I wasn't playing my A game I really wasn't playing bad. I made a couple moves that I thought were right but just got looked up. I'm usually more TAG with the capability of switching it up. I was in the game for 2.5 buy ins but was playing more of a LAG game this night. Although I was def playing some hands I shouldn't have been.

Does anyone feel like this could be a fold preflop or are we not deep enough????

Correct me if I am wrong but a hand like 33 diminishes in value when you get super deep

I think it's an easy call in HJ unless you expect a lot of action from CO->BB for some reason.

I wonder if you could just jam this flop. It's so draw heavy V will put you on a draw and call with an overpair. I'm not necessarily recommending this line but if your image is maniac you can probably get away with it.

Bet more OTT IMO. AP easy call. If V2 is TAG he has all KQ combos, so that's 9 KQ combos. He also has 98 and missed heart draws some percentage of the time that he's decided to bluff. Probably not a lot but maybe a few combos. The way the hand was played 77 66 54 all look unlikely. KK is possible but weird he wouldn't raise the flop or turn. That's 3 combos. QQ seems like most likely hand that beats you, but it's still weird he would just flat your donk bet on such a dynamic flop with QQ. If he's good I would expect him to raise QQ OTF. But he's probably not good so maybe he has QQ.

KQ makes the most sense IMO but even if he has KQ and KK / QQ equally often and no bluffs (worst case scenario) that's 9 combos you beat and 6 combos you lose to in a spot you only need to be good like a third of the time. Easy call.

I fold pre with that hand to the raise.

The call on the river is a must I think. I'd hate it too.

It's less than 5% of V2's stack and with H's described image he should have major implied odds on any set. Call seems ok, I guess it depends how big this $26 is compared to the table dynamic, but if he's telegraphing an overpair then again our implied odds are great against a strong range with our bluffy image.

OP, what position were you specifically? If HJ or later I might just raise smallish with the 33 to try to build a pot in position (unless remaining V's 3-bet a lot)

Yeah, I was wondering why nobody had brought that up yet. With an EP limper I almost always raise a hand like 33 here in later position, especially this deep. If I get 3b OOP aftewards it's an easy enough fold.

As played, I think it's a crying call. You only need to win here like 25% of the time for it to be profitable. There's definitely enough KQ/AA and bluffs in his hand to call here. You're going to be losing a bit more often than you're going to win, though. V could also have played a very preflop aggressive 54s here, too, although it's pretty unlikely with the bet sizing (and he probably raises the turn unless it's exactly 54hh).

Calling this all day OTR. I probably bet more like 250-275.

Pre is OK. You guys are deep.

Raise it up pre yourself or just fold.

Pre as played is fine, you are getting more implied odds with the fish limp/calling. If he had folded, fold vs the $26 raise.

Flop/turn seems fine. River is pretty close, but since you bet 1/3 pot OTR & might have induced a thin value shove by KQdd/KQhh or bluff, I can't see us getting away here.

I'm ok with our overlimp. I mostly fold small pocket pairs in EP, but in the HJ+ I think overlimping them is fine. I also think it's a little too early to be thinking of raising them, especially with an aggro image (where we probably have little FE).

Unless limper is like the worst player ever, I fold to the preflop raise. Just not getting enough immediate odds to make our required IO a lot easier to hit (both in terms of having more people in the pot to pay us off plus less bets to make up). Plus we're OOP to the raiser and he doesn't sound like an idiot (a lot easier to play and extract money in position than OOP).

At first I was really liking our donk, especially with our image, but Button is now proving to be too good a player for that as he just flats (instead of raising which is what we were hoping). With that in mind, I think I'd lean to checking, hoping he cbets, hopefully the other guy calls, and then we can check/raise this drawy board with our aggro image.

Kinda gross turn card. It may kill some of our action and may put us in second place. It really only improves AKhh. But draws have still busted and we have an aggro image, so I"m cool with betting. With a more nitty image, I might consider checking this card.

Another super gross river card, as again it starts killing more action against JJ/TT/etc. plus yet another hand has moved ahead. All his flush draws have likely backed into a big pair that will check back the river, so I think we have to bet smallish and hope they call. So I'm cool with our smallish bet, and now believe we have to fold to the jam. I mean, we're really hoping to be up against KQhh here, and I'm convinced that hand raises the river (as we can have very few worse hands that can consider calling and could easily have a set here).

ETA: Sorta surprised everyone thinks this is an easy river call. Most of his flush draws have backed into a pair that doesn't need to bluff the river. His strongest hand he's backed into that we beat is KQ; they're really raising the river for huge $675 effective stacks? Not in my game they ain't when sets are always in play, especially reg on reg; this river bet is snap called, not snap raised. Which kinda leaves only AJhh/AThh bluffs; but we've shown some fairly decent strength, especially continuing on both the turn and river when overs to the flop have appeared. It's a pretty gross spot, imo.

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I'd raise pre myself, but I don't hate overlimping ... just think raising is better.

I honestly have no idea why so many posters itt think villain has infinite combos of KQ. Villain is TAG and OP led out $55 into $82. How can we ever think they'd have any combo of KQ other than the one suited in 's ??

The river should be a shove the first time. You are repping a pretty polarized range (V is an idiot or thinks your an idiot if he thinks you ever have stuff like 88 here). Stacks are not so deep that you need to fear narrowing V's range too much by shoving. A small bet is unlikely to induce any bluffs and just misses value when V's range has a lot of bluffcatchers.

As played river is tough, but I'd call, especially since V might think you're an idiot based on the image you described.

I think this is a reasonable board texture to have a leading range as the limp/caller.