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11-22-2014 , 08:44 PM
Villain is a mid-aged Caucasian man with a pony tail. He is hyper-aggressive and is capable of firing a 3-barrel bluff. If he senses weakness, he’s not afraid to bluff at the pot. I believe he plays a wide range of hands. He bought in for 200BBs so I assume he is confident with deepstack play or at least comes off that way.

Hero is a TAG player although has opened up 2 times prior to this hand occurring within a span of 30 minutes. He just sat down at the table 30 minutes prior to this hand occurring.

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Stacks:
Villain is MP+2 with $1000
Hero is CO with $500

Pre-Flop: ($7) Hero is CO with TT
UTG straddles for $10, MP+2 calls $10, Hero raises to $50, UTG calls $40, MP+2 calls $40

Flop: 963 ($151, 3 players)
UTG checks, MP+2 checks, CO bets $115, UTG folds, MP+2 raises to $300, Hero ?
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11-22-2014 , 11:50 PM
tvs a hyper aggressive villain, I'm shoving there.

The flop misses a TAG's raising range a lot so he can be playing back at you with air, a nine as well as plenty of draws. Given you're pretty shallow, he'll likely be flatting with his sets a percentage of the time too.

all in
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11-23-2014 , 12:07 AM
at 100bbs, against a dude with a pony tail, I'm gii and feeling good about it. Limp/call pre, then check/raise on this board, I don't think I could fold TT.
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11-23-2014 , 04:53 AM
You have an over pair with less than 50bbs
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11-23-2014 , 06:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Siculamente
You have an over pair with less than 50bbs
True. So is it safe to assume you're getting it in?
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11-28-2014 , 08:23 PM
Haha I think I've played with this guy before, definitely a great player to have at the table.

So based on SPR, and given it's a straddled pot (you're playing 5/10 this hand and have 50bb's), an overpair on a wet board like 963dd with 50bb in a 4 way pot, I'm loving life getting it in lol. Small thing, but I would've bet no more than 2/3 pot, probably around $100 otf.
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11-28-2014 , 08:25 PM
Also small thing and you would't know this, but in a 2/3/5 deepstack game in a very similiar spot, I've seen this dude rip it with K6hh on that board. He has a very action like way of playing that is hard to balance
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11-28-2014 , 11:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsissy
Villain is a mid-aged Caucasian man with a pony tail. He is hyper-aggressive and is capable of firing a 3-barrel bluff. If he senses weakness, he’s not afraid to bluff at the pot. I believe he plays a wide range of hands. He bought in for 200BBs so I assume he is confident with deepstack play or at least comes off that way.

Hero is a TAG player although has opened up 2 times prior to this hand occurring within a span of 30 minutes. He just sat down at the table 30 minutes prior to this hand occurring.

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Stacks:
Villain is MP+2 with $1000
Hero is CO with $500

Pre-Flop: ($7) Hero is CO with TT
UTG straddles for $10, MP+2 calls $10, Hero raises to $50, UTG calls $40, MP+2 calls $40

Flop: 963 ($151, 3 players)
UTG checks, MP+2 checks, CO bets $115, UTG folds, MP+2 raises to $300, Hero ?
Grunch:
Vs described villain I'm fine stacking off with TT here in this situation most of the time. In a straddled pot villain is less likely to limp premiums hands, and if he did he might go for a check raise. Since he did neither lets exclude AA-QQ, we can likely take out JJ as well since most hyper Aggro player will raise any mid PP, and we can exclude some AK/AQ as those hands usually open for a raise.

Flop: doubt we get a better flop for TT, so Cbet is standard. It's reasonable to assume villain check/raises something like KJdd, AdXd, and maybe even raises a 9x although I think most villains call with top pair in this spot.

Is villain the type to out us on AK and raise any non Ace or paint flops? Is a Spewy or has the goods when he committs this kind of chips especially on earlier streets? How have you seen him he play his draws?

Lastly, becuase this is a 50bb eff stack hand I think it's fine to stack off and live with the results if he out flopped us. I'm fine calling here and calling most non-diamond turn cards
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11-29-2014 , 01:07 AM
Kind of a dream spot. GII. With just $150 behind, it's not terribly relevant what line you take to get it in.
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11-29-2014 , 01:38 AM
U have played with villain for only abt 30 minutes. So u don't have much info about the villain, even if u tried to describe him. They might be completely off. If U had played with him longer (>hr), had seen his winning/losing hands at showdown and nothing seemed out of lines, u should SHIP it here. It's a raised pot, not a limped pot. Most of the times, he would have Axdd, A9s, K9s, 78s here. Then there are trappers who would show up with a set or overpair. So it really depends on ur read. If u don't have one, FOLD. Check-raise. RESPECT !!!

Last edited by dangecarlos; 11-29-2014 at 01:47 AM.
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11-29-2014 , 02:32 AM
So strange, I ran into this exact spot last night at 2/5, like literally almost exactly the same. In my case I had TT, villain limps UTG, 2 more limpers and I make it $30 in CO. Villain calls and it's HU. Flop is 924ss. He c/r me and I ship, he snaps and turns over 24 :/ So in my experience there really isnt a lot of c/r bluffing at live on any board.
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11-29-2014 , 02:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by javi
So strange, I ran into this exact spot last night at 2/5, like literally almost exactly the same. In my case I had TT, villain limps UTG, 2 more limpers and I make it $30 in CO. Villain calls and it's HU. Flop is 924ss. He c/r me and I ship, he snaps and turns over 24 :/ So in my experience there really isnt a lot of c/r bluffing at live on any board.

So know ur villain. Normal villains won't call 30 Preflop with 24. A particular type of villain will call ur Preflop raise with rags because they know if they hit, u will ship it. It might not be the only time they trapped someone. U must have seen him making the same play a couple of times more during the night.
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11-29-2014 , 04:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dangecarlos
So know ur villain. Normal villains won't call 30 Preflop with 24. A particular type of villain will call ur Preflop raise with rags because they know if they hit, u will ship it. It might not be the only time they trapped someone. U must have seen him making the same play a couple of times more during the night.
Seriously man, your whole rationale just reeks of someone that knows nothing of basic poker math.

Do yourself a favor, stop posting and start reading.
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11-29-2014 , 04:29 AM
Stop trolling SICKO. Or I m reporting to mods.
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11-29-2014 , 05:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dangecarlos
U have played with villain for only abt 30 minutes. So u don't have much info about the villain, even if u tried to describe him. They might be completely off. If U had played with him longer (>hr), had seen his winning/losing hands at showdown and nothing seemed out of lines, u should SHIP it here. It's a raised pot, not a limped pot. Most of the times, he would have Axdd, A9s, K9s, 78s here. Then there are trappers who would show up with a set or overpair. So it really depends on ur read. If u don't have one, FOLD. Check-raise. RESPECT !!!
i agree with the what you said about it depends on your read, but how do you logically explay most of the time villains show of up with Axdd, A9dd, or 78dd here? like you said hero's played with villain for only 30 minutes.

i'm not trying to call you out but this specific villain's range is much wider than the value range that you're assigning to him
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11-29-2014 , 09:10 AM
Hero shoves. SPR of 3.3 and you flopped an overpair versus a hyper aggressive villain. Not to mention to mention we've put in almost 1/3 our stack on the flop, we have to think about whether we should be committing ourselves.

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11-29-2014 , 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dangecarlos
U have played with villain for only abt 30 minutes. So u don't have much info about the villain, even if u tried to describe him. They might be completely off. If U had played with him longer (>hr), had seen his winning/losing hands at showdown and nothing seemed out of lines, u should SHIP it here. It's a raised pot, not a limped pot. Most of the times, he would have Axdd, A9s, K9s, 78s here. Then there are trappers who would show up with a set or overpair. So it really depends on ur read. If u don't have one, FOLD. Check-raise. RESPECT !!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by dangecarlos
So know ur villain. Normal villains won't call 30 Preflop with 24. A particular type of villain will call ur Preflop raise with rags because they know if they hit, u will ship it. It might not be the only time they trapped someone. U must have seen him making the same play a couple of times more during the night.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Seriously man, your whole rationale just reeks of someone that knows nothing of basic poker math.

Do yourself a favor, stop posting and start reading.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dangecarlos
Stop trolling SICKO. Or I m reporting to mods.
The mods are aware of this thread, and disagree that there is any trolling in it. Neither dangecarlos' first post quoted above (which was reported by someone else) nor Richard Parker's reply (which may seem harsh, but responds to your actual points) are trolling.

Both have their issues. Neither are trolling. Carry on.
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11-29-2014 , 01:25 PM
You need 30.5% equity to break-even.

Vs a tight range (set, pair+fd, fd+2 overs)

Board: 9d 6s 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.348% 34.35% 00.00% 6801 0.00 { TdTs }
Hand 1: 65.652% 65.65% 00.00% 12999 0.00 { 99, 66, 33, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }

If you take away AQs/AJs

Board: 9d 6s 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.767% 32.77% 00.00% 5839 0.00 { TdTs }
Hand 1: 67.233% 67.23% 00.00% 11981 0.00 { 99, 66, 33, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }


If you add in 96s/63s (2 pair) and take away 1 pair+FD (6d4d)

Board: 9d 6s 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.356% 31.36% 00.00% 6519 0.00 { TdTs }
Hand 1: 68.644% 68.64% 00.00% 14271 0.00 { 99, 66, 33, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, 96s, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 63s, 5d4d }

So yeah, it's going to be hard for you to construct a range where you're not getting the right odds to shove here for value.
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11-29-2014 , 02:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dangecarlos
Stop trolling SICKO. Or I m reporting to mods.

POTY candidate?

Oh and Dickie is right
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