Hero SB $300 - in for about $800 over 10 hours of play - ran pretty bad, early in session and climbed out a little only to get stuck again making some raises and moves that didn't work, and missing draws.

Villain UTG+1 - young black guy with girl sitting behind him. Wearing sun glasses - and bought in for $150 and ran it up to around $250. Has played pretty bad but on the good side of variance so he has sucked out a couple of times. Got it all in with TT and beat a better hand when he rivered a 4 card straight. Also will raise just 1 pair hands if they are top pair, and doesn't like to fold to aggression.

Villian 2 mid position $300 - just sat down and is obviously drunk. No reads except that he will probably lose his money at some point.

Hero is dealt Q9 in SB.

1/2

UTG+1 raises to $10
Mid position calls
1 other call.
I decide to call (probably should of folded)

$40 pot
J86

I donk for $20
UTG calls
villain 1 raises to $40
Villain 2 raises to $100
UTG folds out of turn

I tank and.....??

fold pre, but you called because you wanted to gamble, so gamble

Fold pre, as you well know. Suited 2-gapper in the worst possible position with a crap image? Snap fold.

AP, snap fold again. I mean you have a GS and a draw to the third nut flush facing a min-raise on a wet board and a 3-bet. Your Q outs are never good, and your flush outs are probably half bad. You're drawing to two clean outs (call it maybe 7 outs total), and neither V is ever folding

Fold preflop. Just too many spot where you get value owned (even though I tend to make this mistake, too).

As played: shove.

From your description, V1 has a very wide range here and V2 is drunk and from that bit of information on his condition, we have to assume that he is spewy.
-> I am completely fine with getting in a flush draw with gutter and possible Qouts vs too bad opponents that could easily call with a worse flush draw or straight draw.

Pre is close. Folding is for sure good. But calling isn't horrible getting > 3:1 against these opponents with stacks approaching 150BB. I'd likely fold, but it really is very close.

QTs is a call.

Your flop lead has merit. If you get callers, you can barrel / improve on lots of turns.

Obviously this is a surprising amount of action.

I shove now. You do have fold equity. At least one V has and I believe will fold Jx.

You're actually 65/35 vs an unpaired nut flush draw.

You can get also called by worse flush draws and even worse V's these guys (T9, etc).

I do think your hand equity + fold equity makes a +EV shove. It's not hugely profitable imo, but I do think it's +EV.

As long as you shove now, I think you played it OK. It's surely a thin spot, but I don't think you made any major errors. You could have folded pre. You could have checked flop. But I'm OK with everything. It's not a slam dunk spot for sure. If you want to avoid the variance of a pretty marginal EV spot, you could fold pre and fold now, and I think that'd be OK too.

Also man, to be a nit, it's "should have" not "should of." That's the biggest problem I had with the OP hand : )

agree with you, expect the part we are 65/35 vs unpaired nutflushdraw. but i give you the benefit of the doubt that you ment 35/65

Hahah


I ended up folding and turn was T river K and UTG+1 had JQ for a flush. LOL at him shoving 1 pair for 150BB

Drunk guy had 68o for bottom 2.

Drunk guy than berates him and says oh I must be playing 1/2 - it was kinda funny to see him berate him when his pre flop raise was pretty terrible too.

I think if I shoved I might of still got called in both spots but not sure about it.

I racked up and left a $500 loser =(

Haha yeah. I'm just optimistic.

this.

snap shove. As played, it is doubtful that either V has diamonds. The worst hands you are going to be up against here are KK, AA, A6, or sets and two pairs, all of which you have more than enough equity to shove on, save the A6.

Fold is fine, imo. Running the numbers, it's not as snap as I thought it was. You surprisingly have about 33.3333333% equity against their ranges after all, and there is a touch of dead money, so going in would be mildly +EV. Still don't think we have any FE here, though.

Was V1 raising frequently? When he raised was he cbetting frequently?

So, that's a cool flop and all, but I think a c/r may be best here. You should have a good amount of fold equity, plus, and I'm guessing, between 30% and 35% equity against a gii range for either V. Another benefit of c/r is when V1 cbets and V2 flats, you trap more dead money in the pot.

When the black guy with his girlfriend made it 10 and the drunk guy calls did you ever imagine post flop play was going to be passive?

Did you ever imagine you could get lots of money from them when you flopped top pair?

Did you ever imagine you could out play these guys post flop from the small blind in a raised pot when you wiff?

I would suggest you only imagined flopping the mortal nuts and getting paid, just as they (these 2 gargantuan fish) imagine evevrytime they get delt two suited one gappers in the sb.

Post flop lead bigger you want them to fold out there equity or at the very least force them to be passive with top pair type hands. Once you get action like that in front of you often you are up against another draw and a made hand, an absolute disaster. The results are next to totally meaningless here, more often than not you are in deep dodo.

Yes I like this line better. But I would abandon this plan if I check and 3bets start flying in before it gets back to us.

+1

I see why people want to c/r, but leading the flop is more compelling for a few reasons.

If we check, we often don't see a c-bet multi-way on this texture.

With a lead, we often get people to fold hands with equity (Kx, Ax, ATC).

We can improve or barrel so many turn cards (T, Q, K, A, diamonds, maybe J, etc).

Leading and c/r have merit, but I like leading a bit better here.

table was playing pretty passive post flop which was why I called with Q9

I kinda wish I didn't fold - but meh oh well. I would of lost if they both called LOL but I doubt the black guy with his girl would of called if I jammed.

Maybe he would of - and that woulda been ok, but meh

*have

lol

Would of

Given villain descriptions I'm definitely calling pre, and on the flop I'm getting it in and feeling good about it

fold pre. shoveflop.