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02-10-2018 , 06:01 PM

scfvatos

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 13

1/2 in casino

H: 108
V1: has me covered
V2: has me covered as well

Hero is seen as a reg; lost a big one couple of hand before where he made a hero call.

V1: passive reggish, no further info
V2: unkown, looks reggish

V1 limps in HJ, hero calls in the co with 34h en v2 calls on the btn. Blinds check

(10) flop: 4s 7h 9h

Blinds check, hj bets 8, hero en btn call.

(34) turn: 9d

Hj checks, hero check, btn bets 12 and HJ calls. Hero?

We can ofcourse x/c here and see a river. Is folding to nitty here? Anyone who x/raises here as a semi bluff?

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02-10-2018 , 06:19 PM

cheesefist

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 376

fold pre x 10. You are short stacked with a terrible hand.

fold flop.

Fold turn. If you are ambitious you could make a case for CRAI, and you should fold out everything that isn't trips or better. But you also might get looked up by A7 type hands if table is gambley or your image is crap.

You can never play these kinds of hand this short, and are better off not playing them even much deeper.
We have some fundamental poker issues that need to be discussed.

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02-10-2018 , 06:21 PM

Bdsinc2.0

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 184

Fold pre.

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02-10-2018 , 06:27 PM

scfvatos

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Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 13

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Originally Posted by cheesefist

Yeah prob should fold flop. Makes it a difference that this is a undeep table (max 75bb buyin =150) and a lot of hands are limped anyway (not much of a risk I get raised pre after I limp)? And btw, I have a suited connector. You think that is so terrible here in LP?

Last edited by scfvatos; 02-10-2018 at 06:36 PM.

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02-10-2018 , 07:34 PM

browni3141

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Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 5,678

43s is too weak to play multiway. It rarely makes the nuts and can only make 3 straights. While it's technically a suited connector it only has the strategic value of a suited gapper. I might raise if we were deeper to iso V1, but with 50BB we aren't really deep enough to play this kind of a hand in a raised pot.

Don't fold flop, are you crazy? Calling should be profitable, but a lot of good things can happen here when we raise. Our pair of 4s alone doesn't have enough showdown value to just call here multiway. We have a good chance at taking the pot down or getting HU where we have better equity.

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02-10-2018 , 08:27 PM

scfvatos

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Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 13

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Originally Posted by browni3141

Sorry, I meant that i should have folded preflop in post #4. As played, what would you do on the turn and why?

Last edited by scfvatos; 02-10-2018 at 08:40 PM.

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02-10-2018 , 08:44 PM

ChrisV

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Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 40,336

Fold pre.

As played, raise flop. Good equity against everything but sets.

Turn is probably a fold, you have direct odds to draw but some of your outs might be dirty or they might have a better draw and the reverse implied odds aren't going to be pretty.

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02-10-2018 , 09:15 PM

johnnyBuz

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Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

Snap fold pre. As played raise flop and shove most turns. This exact turn I’d be x/f.

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02-11-2018 , 06:46 AM

Nogyong

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,801

Fold pre.

As played preflop, raise flop planning to barrel turn. We have a strongish draw with 9 flush outs, 2 trips outs and 3 two pair outs and two cards to come. We have 50% equity against TPTK hands and a lot of those wont be able to withstand a flop raise and a turn barrel.

After flatcalling the flop, fold turn. There are two other players in the pot and given the action, one of them can easily have trips or better. We have no blockers that might decrease the chance of them having a 9x hand.

Last edited by Nogyong; 02-11-2018 at 06:53 AM.

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02-11-2018 , 10:01 AM

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scfvatos

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Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 13

Okay, based on your opinions I think I raised the wrong street... So I x/raised the turn all in. @Cheesefirst mentioned this as an option in reply #2. Any others who see this as an optional play? Or is it very bad? When raising, is raising all in the only option or any people who raise turn and shove river?

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02-11-2018 , 02:22 PM

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Nogyong

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It is a really bad play. One of them can easily have trips.

On the flop, we were only afraid of a relatively narrow range of sets and 2-pair and we even had the ability to suck out against those hands.

On the turn, I'm never semibluffing with this hand in this spot. Its too optimistic to place them both on draws and risk our stack for this small pot. We could be drawing dead to a boat.

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02-11-2018 , 04:13 PM

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scfvatos

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Originally Posted by Nogyong

Totally agree, one of my worst plays in a long time. So, I x/raised allin and got called by the btn with a 9. Hit my flush on the river.

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