£1-£2
Just sat down at the table. 2 orbits lots of limping going on.

Mp limp my read is he's been playing 80% hands
hero on button a5 hearts isolation raise to 10
Bb calls my read is that he plays often.

Flop 794c with two diamonds pot £31
Cks to me I decide to cb £25 as I put BB on two overs and mp atc and I can take the pot away from mp later when over cards hit.

Bb calls mp calls
Turn 10c
Cks to me I ck as too many draws are out there And I'm basically done with my hand.

River kc pot £106
It cks to me I bet £75

My thinking is that this is just about one of the best cards that can come in for me? There's a back door flush. And if I had ak I've just hit it.

I put my v on flush draws that missed. Single pairs on the flop and no sets as these would ck raise and maybe some odd straight draws?

Yeah, I think it's a decent spot to bluff, but I'd want better reads to fire.

When you say better reads what type of reads are we looking for... Kind of players that can fold second pair or top pair?

In order to pull off a successful bluff, you need to tell a consistent story. You raise coming in, then he checks and you c-bet. So far, so good. This doesn't really give much away.

The problem is what I bolded. You're not telling a consistent story. You said yourself you are done with the hand. Then some unexpected card drops on the river, and now you're firing again, and that's the problem.

Since you're first up, you can't check it to him and have him check back, thinking your check raise failed. How does that T affect this hand? It completes just one hand: ( 8, 6 ). It isn't a scare card. Furthermore, if it helped a BD flush draw, you would certainly follow up with a bet on the turn. If you had a real hand, you would definitely want to keep leading until a raise convinced you you were not in the lead anymore.

"And if I had ak I've just hit it".

Not really: it was the K -- the one card you couldn't have if you were chasing a BD flush with an AK. If your opponent was any good, he would realize this. He would also know that if you actually had ( A, K ) that T would have helped you.

Your story is not consistent: you said so yourself. This line looks a helluvalot like a desperation bluff. The only ways I wouldn't call is if I knew it was a likely bluff, but I couldn't beat even so much as a bluff. I would give consideration to folding if I knew that you were the type of player who could reverse fake this and bet the nutz or near nutz in a manner to make it look like a desperation bluff to induce a call.

Actually, binking a K on the river and betting after you checked the turn is consistent with a whiffed AK.

AK is the hand all fish will put you on if you raise preflop.

the only problem here is knowing if you are up against a player who is good enough to fold a made hand like J9 or 88 or if he will just say, "Man, I know you got AK, nice catch, good hand, okay I call..."

overall, I think its an okay spot to bluff and the sizing looks good.

If I had the flush I would still bet this amount as it would be well hidden and I'm sure the mp player would call with tp.

My thoughts were if the bb called my river bet he would have to have a big hand as he won't know what mp will do and this puts a lot of pressure on him. So he would probably fold.

Mp is generally a bad player limping with all kind of things and thought a bluff only needs to tell a story against an average to good player a bluff doesn't need to tell a story against a bad player?

River bet is good after this gets checked.

Flop thought process is pretty terrible. "I put him on "overcards" would be translated by BING as "I had a plan when I saw a limp and now I'll make stuff up to justify not changing my plan."

You raised pre to iso, which is fine. After you get called by BB the hand changes. Now, that does not mean you give up but it requires you to actually do some work on ranging both, estimating flop folding ranges and deciding if you can cbet. You did none of this.

I disagree. Here's what the OP posted:

"Cks to me I ck as too many draws are out there And I'm basically done with my hand".

He isn't thinking about how to rep a Big Slick here. He's telling us he tried to take it down with a c-bet, and when that didn't work, he gave up. OK, fine, check it and fold to any bet. Next, he tells us that an unexpected K drops on the end, and that now he makes a desperation bluff.

He asks if this was a good bluff, and my answer remains the same: no it wasn't. This was a desperation bluff, a pure fish play, that happened to work this time. If the OP is serious about playing well, this is a nasty habit that needs to be broken.

Furthermore, his play doesn't even make sense:

"Cks to me I decide to cb £25 as I put BB on two overs and mp atc and I can take the pot away from mp later when over cards hit".

Two overs include kings. The K is within the range the OP assigned to him. How does he know he isn't "bluffing" into a now made hand, and could be looking at least a call, if not a raise? There are two overs on board, and these could have easily hit the very range the vil is thought to have here.

Bad players who aren't paying attention should seldom be bluffed, as they won't know what story you're trying to tell them. They don't know, and they will make some of the GD-est calls with the GD-est hands for who knows reasons. I call these "effffff it" calls. They will often say it as they shove chips to the center. Even if they don't, you can see they're thinking it by the expressions on their faces. If they're gonna call anyway, wait until you have a better hand than theirs.

Flop: I don't cbet. This is just about as bad as it gets given reads, and just in general. This is all over both villians ranges, tons of draws etc. Cbet is just not going to work here enough to be profitable IMO.

Turn check good.

River, I think this is actually a decent spot to bluff, betting again is consistent with KQ AK type hands that hit and I would expect either villian to lead out at this point with a value hand.

Just because OP's reasoning stinks, doesn't make this a bad bluff. The villain doesn't know what the reasoning is...

I usually only cbet this flop if I have a backdoor flushdraw so I don't love the cbet.

The turn card is a bad card to bluff so check is good. The river is a good one to bluff. I don't understand how this idea that he is repping such a narrow range came in. He is representing more than A-K, he should be value betting every K-x, a lot of T-x, and some 9-x in this position. Bet sizing on the bluff is a tad big for me since I'll be value betting thin here frequently, but otherwise reasonable.

I think that this hand highlights some of the big leaks of many learning players. I've made this mistake a zillion times, so I'm not being disparaging.

You made a fine play preflop, didn't quite work out how you wanted since BB came along. No problem though. The flop is one of the worst possible to c-bet. There are way too many draws, and we totally missed, so we are bluffing with air into a multi-way pot. This will almost never work at 1/2.

Turn is a bad card, more draws, and hits BB's range harder (or anyone with SC's). Good thing checking.

The river card is probably one of the best in the deck to bluff on. Yet, it undeniably hits the stated range of villain from mp. (Which btw doesn't make sense to put him on overcards in the first place since OP stated he's "playing 80% of hands")

The overall lack of thought process tells me that you are more focused on trying to win this hand, i.e. "desperation bluff", rather than have a solid game plan.

Final thought: Keep learning, and please stop burning money at 1/2 by bluffing on drawing boards into multiple opponents. Actually you might just do better to stop bluff on any multiway pot, or at least start by getting some outs first. Good Luck.

+1

Tx, 9x, 7x are all hands/draws in V's range that will easily call the flop c-bet because they put Hero on "AK"

turn makes all the Tx draws into top pair hands and Hero checks back which is consistent with how most LLSNL players would play AK or even how they would play a backdoor draw

River puts the K out there and then Hero bets.

Seriously, a decent % of LLSNL players are not going to call with Tx, 9x, 7x in this spot when they put Hero on AK and the K hits as well as the backdoor flush hits. If V is at all a somewhat competent villain he is folding Tx, 9x, and 7x and even a ******edly played JJ/QQ and will sneer in disgust and say, "Nice river"

I think Kyuubimon can't see the forest for the trees here. Perhaps OP's reasoning and line is flawed on flop and turn, but that still doesn't mean the river card isn't a good bluff card as seen from the viewpoint of the typical LLSNL player.

EDIT: Incidentally I have ZERO problems with the flop c-bet.
Flop 9 7 4 should have missed enough of our villains range to c-bet. Seriously, most LLSNL players call raises with Ax, Kxs, SCs and broadways. There are plenty of QT, KJ, A5s, K8s, J8 garbage hands that miss this board. Only problem is that a lot of SCs will hit the board but those SCs aren't always going to be strong and aren't going to raise flop or bet turn or river meaning we can draw if called and still hit by river or rep a hand by river if we choose to double or triple barrel... Basically, its not like the flop was T 9 8 , 9 7 4 isn't a bad flop to c-bet into one or two villains by any stretch...

Yep, and I'd also like to point out that I don't like what Kyuubimon said here:

I mean on the surface this sounds like good advice, but believe it or not at the so called "no foldem holdem" lower limits, if you always adhere to that strict line of thinking, you're gonna cost yourself a lot of money in the long run. Profitable bluffing spots where your story sux come up all the time at the lower limits because there's tons of mediocre players who suck at hand reading but have a fold button for the right amount. Also, at the lower limits there's lots of players who have obvious bet-sizing tells with bet sizing that screams bet/fold in many spots. If you have a clean image, you don't need a story to get them to fold.

In this actual hand, you have two players that likely hate that river card. It doesn't matter that the hero would never bet $75 in that spot if he actually had AK. Nobody knows that. The point is, it's a great bluff card, and 2pair+ is unlikely to be out given the way this hand went down. The ranges of both villains are weak in this spot. Make a good sized bet and make them fold their marginal pairs. $75 btw is exactly what I'd bet here. It's a great size to put pressure on those target one pair hands.